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Insider: Cracking Boxes and Pro Tour Fate Reforged Insights

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Alright, so if I don't jam this in here, I may never get to it. Let's start with the Fate Reforged booster box cracking!

I bought two boxes at a local store for $100 each, with 7% sales tax

Total = $214

BUT! They offer a points program, so I get 10% off a future purchase.

Total = $194

My main comparison in doing this is against the alternative of just buying the singles I would want out of this set, so I'll subtract the "keep cards" from my total cost at the price they were selling day one.

Keeps:

  • Torrent Elemental - $4
  • Flamewake Phoenix x2 - $8
  • Mardu Strike Leader x2 - $4
  • Soulflayer - $3Bloodstained Mire - $11
  • Polluted Delta - $16
  • Wooded Foothills - $12
  • Windswept Heath - $14

Subtotal = $78

Total = $ 116

My favorite outlet for new cards is Pucatrade, but this time around I was not hitting as heavy as I usually do. Since release, I've shipped the following cards:

  • Ugin, the Spirit Dragon  3243
  • Alesha, Who Smiles at Death 244
  • Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury 179
  • Dromoka, the Eternal 155
  • Atarka, World Render 150
  • Yasova Dragonclaw 157
  • Silumgar, the Drifting Death 172
  • Ghastly Conscription 164
  • Daghatar the Adamant     68
  • Ugin, the Spirit Dragon     3108
  • Frontier Siege 137
  • Yasova Dragonclaw 157
  • Yasova Dragonclaw 157
  • Tasigur, the Golden Fang 466
  • Monastery Siege 248

Subtotal = 8805pts ($88)

Total = $28

Beyond that, we're into binder grinding.

Trades:

  • Temporal Trespass for 3x Frontier Siege ($3) - $9
  • Crux of Fate x2 ($5) - $10
  • Warden of the First Tree - $5
  • Brutal Hordechief - $6
  • Soulfire Grandmaster x2 ($15) - $30

Sales:

  • Shaman of the Great Hunt x2 - $12

Total = +$44

I WIN!!

Things to factor into the equation: I still have a number of rares left, some of them are even playable, though many are not. Plus I have a playset of commons and uncommons.

I was pretty unlucky with my foil rares, only hitting Arcbond and a Dragonscale General. I have a feeling I'll be holding on to both cards for a very long time.

What you can also see is some uncertainty--like shipping a Tasigur under $5, then shipping Frontier Siege before reacquiring.

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I thought Tasigur was pretty sweet, but Legendary creatures at rare have a long history of being unable to hold any value. Going forward, I think Tasigur might break this mold as he is an absolute lightning rod. Having more than one copy is rarely going to be a bad thing.

Frontier Siege was card that I thought had potential, but I followed the crowd and shipped it while it was still worth more than postage. Then I saw it in action and had to give it a shot. In the same deck as Tasigur.

Overall, I'm happy that I got my money back out of my boxes, but this set overall didn't produce the results I am used to. Part of this is the lack of a Standard Pro Tour accompanying release, as well as the trend towards people just buying more sealed product.

Factoring in inflation, Magic sealed product gets cheaper and cheaper every year as the retail holds onto that $3.99 pack price that we've seen for more than a decade. $100 for a booster box just is not as substantial a cost as it used to be.

Pro Tour

If you somehow haven't heard, there was a Pro Tour this weekend in Washington, DC and the format was Modern.

The big breakout deck of the weekend was, of course, Jund Abzan. The deck is very similar to the Jund decks of yesteryear, trading Bloodbraid Elf for Siege Rhino and Lightning Bolt for Path to Exile.

The deck gains some key advantages in Lingering Souls and the power of Gavony Township. If anything has been made clear, it's that Siege Rhino is the real deal.

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This is about the time in Thragtusk's lifespan that it started climbing from perpetually $6 to the highs of $20 we saw towards the end of its reign. The key difference here is that Siege Rhino is seeing serious play in Modern and even fringe play in Legacy.

Yes, I lost to Siege Rhino in Legacy, and yes I muttered profanity under my breathe.

This weekend at the SCG Regionals in Columbus, we could not keep Siege Rhino in stock and our neighbor bumped their buy price to $5, signalling an incoming price hike on this multi-format staple. If you don't own your playset, now's the time. If you like hording cards that are likely to have a strong demand for a long time to come, now's also the time.

While there are multiple flavors of Abzan, they all share the inclusion of Gavony Township, a card that is probably still underpriced at $3. It's only a matter of time for people to figure out that this card is going to be a force in Modern until creatures are no longer legal.

Township isn't "exciting" because it's just a land that doesn't even make colored mana, but it's been a solid role player for a long time and it's price doesn't reflect that.

What about cards that are not as obvious but still could see some movement based on Abzan's success?

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Abzan was piloted by roughly 25% of the field at the Pro Tour, so if things get incestuous in Modern, I expect to see the metagame getting fairly inbred as this deck grows in popularity. There really just isn't a great way for these decks to interact with Siege Rhino.

Enter Lifebane Zombie.

LBZ also shores up the Wilt-Leaf Liege shenanigans we've seen come out of Jacob Wilson's version of this deck. Other benefits? Lifebane Zombie is shockingly cheap right now.

Maelstrom Pulse is already one of the most flexible removal spells ever printed, resting solely on it's ability to destroy virtually anything. But the proliferation of tokens makes this card even more important in a field where one for one removal spells simply can't function.

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Voice of Resurgence is another piece of tech coming out of Jacob Wilson's deck that we can expect to see some movement. Voice has been tragically underplayed in Modern, despite the field being ripe for crapping out elementals like a rabbit craps out Cocoa Puffs. While I expect Voice's price to move upwards at a glacial rate, I do expect it to rise over time.

The other decks we see in the Top 8 are two copies of Burn, two copies of Splinter Twin, and an Amulet of Vigor deck.

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It's likely that by the time you're reading this, we've already seen Amulet of Vigor being bought up and the prices raised. This one-time bulk rare has been on the cusp of a breakout performance for years and has finally made it to the big stage.

The most important thing to keep in mind is that the Amulet of Vigor deck is still pretty terrible. Amulet decks are the Goblin Charbelcher of Modern. Given enough time, the deck will eventually and periodically put up a good performance, but it is by no means a Tier 1 deck.

I would sell into any price spikes related to this deck.

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Snapcaster Mage is likely the only strong speculative target in the Twin decks. Tiago's invitational card has been riding the bench for a few months now as Treasure Cruise usurped the blue Mage's role as the go-to card advantage engine in blue decks.

Snapcaster has been called back from layoffs and is back on the job. I tweeted out Saturday night about rumors that a buyout was underway.

While I don't see any real evidence of that as I'm writing this, I do expect Snapcaster to quickly regain his $35 price tag and start climbing from there, though I would be sure to get off this train before Modern Masters III gets announced.

Pulse

This last weekend I worked for Two Headed Games at the SCG Regionals in Columbus.

As you're working larger events and talking with the other vendors, you see some micro trends occurring in real time. There were two cards we were asked about time and time again over the weekend (aside from Siege Rhino).

The first is Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, especially in foil.

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We could not keep this card in stock and saw very few available for purchase throughout the day, and there were a number of people looking for these in foil. With the prerelease promo cresting $200, it's obvious this card has struck an emotional core in the player base.

The second card we were selling hand over fist is Shaman of the Great Hunt.

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We sold every copy we brought with us and every card we bought, with many more asking for this card.

With SotGH being a mythic rare, its price is going to be less elastic. So if this card becomes popular, expect it to quickly reach $20. As the results roll in from the various SCG Regional tournaments, keep an eye out for this card to have a breakout weekend or fall flat on its face. Act accordingly.

 

#PTFRF Deck List: Pat Cox’s Zoo Archetype Overview

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Insider: #PTFRF Early Winners: Reading Charts to Get The Full Story

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Liliana of the Veil: After Delver and Pod got neutered, Modern's premiere Planeswalker has seen a steady rise in value along with a plummeting spread.  It's interesting to see how the average retail price lags behind buylists.  Look carefully at the 2YR graph; buy prices started increasing well before retail prices did.  In fact, retail prices were still shrinking while buy prices were gaining.  That's why looking at both sides of the market is the only way to get the complete picture.  Retail prices always have a bit of 'wishful thinking' involved with them, but buy prices are open offers with cash money on the table.  It's important to pay attention to both.

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Noble Hierarch: Deathrite Lite is gonna see some camera time today.  It's the premiere mana accelerator of the format, and the price already reflects as much.   It's cooled off since it's October peak, but $50-$60 for a mana dork seems too expensive. That's all the more reason to expect a MMA2 reprint.  Owners can enjoy any bump in price from the Pro Tour, but if you already missed the boat over the summer, you should probably sit this one out.

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Gavony Township: Here's another great example of the value of better information.  The 3-month graph on Gavony Township is basically useless, but the 2YR tells another tale entirely.  It's been spotted at the Pro Tour alongside the Noblest of Hierarchs, and it's still a great combo with Kitchen Finks.  The #1 problem here is that the spread is massive.   That generally implies that dealers aren't moving through too many of them.  This might be one of the better specs of the day, and I don't think it'll see a MMA2 reprint.

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Expedition Map: Yep, another $1 common enters the ranks of Modern.  Considering that this fetches any land, I'm surprised it stayed so cheap for so long.  I like this chart; your eyes might be drawn to the buylist run-up in early 2013, or the long steady rise until late summer 2013, or maybe the additional gains in early 2014.

But what you really want to pay attention to is January 2015.  The buylist prices were going nuts for the prior 3 months, and began a sharp ascent throughout the start of 2015.  Once again, the retail price lags behind by a week or two only now experiencing the same gains.  This card is not as common as it used to be - well, technically that's not true, but many copies have been filed away into boxes, binders and bins.  They're not sitting on draft reject piles anymore, so they'll only get harder to find pending a reprint.   There's no reason this can't be a "power common" like Serum Visions.  If you can find any cheap copies, it might be a good time to take action.

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Splinter Twin: No real movement in the last 30 days, but a small uptick in top buy price.  Another card that's allegedly everywhere this weekend.  Its fascinating to see these huge spikes followed by long cool-down periods.

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Tarmogoyf:   Interestingly, there's no buylist movement on this.  Apparently dealers have all that they need.  Despite that, there's a small uptick in retail price over the last 30 days or so.  This card seems mighty expensive right now.  I'm not saying it's a good sell-off candidate, but it just seems like $200 for a Modern card is not realistic.  I think there's way too much price memory here,  and not enough real results.

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Golgari Grave-Troll: Note the interesting pre-spike on the 8th...someone had a theory it would get unbanned.  A few days before the initial announcement, a dealer decided to increase their buy prices to just above the average retail price.  That looks pretty savvy in hindsight.

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Geist of Saint Traft: Despite the major run-up over the last month, Geist isn't really being spotted much at the Pro Tour.  It looks like this has happened before; a big run-up followed by a steady decline when it proved to be nothing of note.

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Vengevine: This was one of the cards we cited in our Insider email about Grave-Troll being unbanned.  These second-order derivatives are often the most lucrative pickups after an unbanning;  everyone's rushing to beat each other for the unbanned cards, while no one is looking at the bigger picture.  Before this most recent spike, Vengevine was close to a 2-year low.  And as usual, buy prices began wiggling up well before sell prices did.   Will this do anything at the Pro Tour? We shall see.

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Chalice of the Void: This is just a great example of a monster run-up on a card.  As with Vengevine above, it all depends on how useful it proves to be in this Pro Tour.

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Vedalken Shackles: This is one to watch for sure.  Doug elaborated why in his Insider email.

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Karn Liberated: Ugin's the new kid on the block and his favorite playtime friend is the Man of Steel himself.  One of the finishers in TRON, we saw his price begin to tick up around the time when the format got shaken up by unbannings.  It's a candidate for an MMA2 reprint, and it's really quite expensive.  I don't know that I'd want to be buying these right now, but its definitely worth keeping an eye on this card.

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Snapcaster Mage: It seems interesting that the retail price of Snapcaster is trending upwards right now, as it's not one of the cards that truly gained from the bannings of  Birthing Pod  and Treasure Cruise.  Yet so does it ascend.  The buy prices have been moving as well, but as usual the retail price seems to be reacting more sharply.  The time to get these was either 2013 or last Fall.  If you're an owner already, see how they do this weekend.  If there's a sharp increase in price, consider a sale.

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Inkmoth Nexus: A top Pro team has brought UG Infect to the tables today, and if there was one card in the deck to pick up, it's this one.  You can see the prices adjusting upward already at the end of this 2YR span.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see this in MMA2, but the presence of the Infect mechanic makes it less likely.

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Ghostway: A great example of a “spike out of nowhere” on a 3-month graph, but something you’d see coming a mile away by looking at the 2-year span.  Rumor has it that someone's got a Ghostway Naya deck, built around Restoration Angel, Loxodon Hierarch and Chord of Calling.  The deck looks real spicy;  Doug included the list in his Insider email earlier today.

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Past in Flames: So far, no mention of this at the PT but it's sure got an interesting chart.  A glance at the 3M chart shows a slight uptick in average retail price and average buy price, but the top price remains the same.  On the 2YR graph, you get a sense of just how volatile this card has been.

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*NSFL* MTG Gore. Viewer Discretion Advised. Don’t Click

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Close this before you scroll down. No, really. I was wrong. I was wrong to make this post. Just close it up, go watch PT coverage and pretend this never happened. You don't want to scroll down. I'm serious.

/r/MTGGore exists, because of course it does. You saw the post I made yesterday about the deck that went through the wash, right? It gets worse. Sweet lord, it gets so, so much worse. I can't even.

If you're up to it, scroll down and see some of the posts that made me cringe. Try to guess which one made me shriek like a little girl watching a Saw movie at 3 AM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? WHYYY?

 

Brilliant. Now you know which colored mana they produce
What kind of MONSTER would do this?
Why would you ban Birthing Pod and not ban "Rip it or flip it"?

This last one was in a post titled "Stolen collection found in trash bags under a porch"

I don't...I can't... I don't even...

I'm a firm opponent of the death penalty in all cases, but I'd be willing to make an exception if they catch whoever did this. I'll throw the switch myself. There are more pics in the IMGUR gallery, but, you don't want none of that. Trust me.

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Bannings May Suck, but at Least We Don’t Have to Deal with Errata

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Even when I don't have a lot of stake in a particular banning, as a general rule, I don't like them. It annoys me that formats can just be upended overnight, and it certainly makes me less excited to build an extensive Modern collection, since that's the format most at risk to see even more cardboard become illegal.

That said, at least we don't have to deal with the Hearthstone system of overpowered cards: just changing them. As a pretty casual Hearthstone player, I do not follow tournament results, announcements, or other news regarding the game. I just fire it up a few times a month and see how high I can get in ranked play with minimal effort. This means that every once in a while, I find myself confused when a card I frequently play has been changed. Most recently, it was this:

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There's no doubt that Undertaker was previously one of the most powerful cards in the game, and it still is probably pretty good even after this change. But as a player who doesn't follow every little thing about the game, it was jarring to play this for the first time and realize I was not getting a toughness (what's the proper term for Hearthstone? Health?) bonus anymore.

Sometimes it takes seeing something done worse to appreciate what you have, and that's how I feel here. Yes, Hearthstone is a digital game, so it is much more feasible to errata cards there than it is in Magic. Yes, balance issues need to be addressed. And yes, it is nice to have a relatively solved format get shaken up from time to time.

Much as I hate bannings (and to a lesser extent, rotations), they shake up formats in an effective way that doesn't require the permanent changing of a card that may have become iconic in the game. Imagine if instead of banning Jace, the Mind Sculptor from Standard, Wizards just made it a five- or six-drop. All of a sudden, this iconic card would be a completely different animal—and possibly not even relevant anymore.

Blizzard is doing this stuff every few months, and while I understand the need for it, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Kudos to Wizards for: a) Not falling into the trap of issuing functional errata, and b) Establishing a system that shakes up formats often. I may not like every decision the company makes, but this wouldn't be my favorite game if they didn't make a high amount of correct choices. Credit where credit is due.

Have a good weekend, folks!

 

Ponder Shuffle Podcast- Episode 1

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In the first installment of Ponder Shuffle, Jens and Ryan discuss the Modern and Limited formats going into Pro Tour Fate Reforged as well as the Standard brew Ryan will be playing at SCG Regionals.
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Insider: Modern Masters, Nearly Two Years Later

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It's been nearly two years since Modern Masters was printed, and with Modern Masters 2015 coming out in a few short months, it seems like a good time to examine how all those reprints from the first Modern Masters fared in the long term.

Although we may be able to apply the lessons we learn here to this year's iteration of MMA, keep in mind that, as Anthony Capece eloquently explained on Brainstorm Brewery, "Past performance does not indicate future results." Modern Masters 2015 will have different cards, a different print run, a different MSRP, a different going price—the sets may ultimately end up being pretty similar, but so many of the circumstances are different that we can hardly draw solid conclusions based on what happened back in 2013.

Still, this is clearly the closest analogue we have (assuming it doesn't end up being Chronices 2.0, but I think the fears in that area were pretty much put to rest with the first Modern Masters). Although we're not going to be saying this or that is definitely happening, we would be remiss not to consider Modern Masters 2015 in the light of the 2013 iteration.

So today, let's examine several classes of cards from Modern Masters and how they've fared in the last couple years.

The Big Boys

Famously, the prices of the most expensive cards in Modern Masters went up after being reprinted.

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This was true not only of Tarmogoyf, but also of Dark Confidant, Vendilion Clique, and Cryptic Command. Besides Command, all of these are mythic rares, which at least partially explains why the price wasn't pushed down: not enough copies were printed! At the same time, Modern Masters drove up demand for the Modern format, which put a higher demand on the supply that we did have.

The questions we need to consider regarding MM15:

  1. Will the print run be enough higher to drive prices of top cards down this time, or will increases happen again as they did in 2013?
  2. Will cards printed in Modern Masters (i.e. Goyf, Bob, Clique, Cryptic) show up again in MM15?
  3. What are the most likely and needed candidates for printing in MM15?
  4. What cards are the most safe from reprinting?

While I don't have the answers to these questions, I'm leaning toward the opinion that there is little to no reason to sell off high-dollar cards with the intention of reacquiring them later. Even with a higher print run, I just can't see prices plummeting. (I say that with one caveat, though: Noble Hierarch, if reprinted at rare, can't possibly stay at its current level. I also can't see WOTC printing it at mythic—can you?)

Mid-Value Staples

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Mid-value staples like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker actually did dip in price, dropping slowly for over a year before finally starting an ascent back to their previous levels. Most cards in this category, like Kiki-Jiki itself, haven't quite hit their pre-reprint prices, but are pretty close.

Although I included Cryptic Command in the first category, one could argue it fits more in this one, as the price did drop for a while before gaining on and exceeding its pre-reprint price. I hold that it belongs in the heavy hitters category because it didn't drop very far or for very long, and its gains are unlike most other cards in the set.

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So what do you do with your mid-value staples that are at a risk for reprint? I'm talking about cards like Celestial Colonnade, Splinter Twin, and Spellskite.

Based on the first Modern Masters, holding these type of staples may result in some short-term loss in card value, but if you were just planning to play with them anyway, it doesn't look like the price dips will be low enough to make selling and rebuying worth the effort.

Keep in mind, though, that a much larger print run could put more downward pressure on prices, so if you're holding these type of cards purely as investments, you may be best off trading them off for more stable items like Legacy cards. Lock in your profits now, then look for opportunities to buy after the an influx of supply hits the market.

A Casual Card in a Modern Land

A lot of deceptively valuable casual cards got hit pretty hard by Modern Masters.

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Based on what's happened since 2013, the biggest risk of loss from Modern Masters 2015 stems from casual-only cards. This makes sense, as these sets don't necessarily increase demand for casual formats, but they certainly add to the supply for them.

So if you're holding something that is purely casual from the blocks confirmed to be included in this set, that's dangerous. Sure, if it's something you acquired cheaply for your Commander deck, don't worry too much about it. But if you've been sitting on a pile of Caged Suns or Darksteel Plates you've been waiting to go just a little higher before outing, you may want to reconsider that strategy.

And seriously, did anyone else realize Darksteel Plate is not a bulk rare? I'm sure Commander players did, but this is news to me.

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Competitive Staple Uncommons

If you need to be convinced to sell your Remands now, take a look at these charts:

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Lower-value but highly played uncommons like Lightning Helix, Path to Exile, and Electrolyze didn't take hits nearly this bad, but the $10 uncommons of the format plummeted.

If Remand is in MM15, expect a similar thing to happen. Besides Remand, Aven Mindcensor is the other card primed for reprint that I would put in this category.

Casual Commons & Uncommons

One of the most disappointing things about Modern Masters for financiers was that we lost a lot of the cards that were picks from bulk that many people didn't realize would buylist for a dollar or more. A couple examples:

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To be honest, I don't really have any idea what in this category is at risk for inclusion in Modern Masters 2015. I wouldn't have picked any of these three cards for the original Modern Masters, so I'm not going to bother speculating for this new one. Let's just say that buylisting some randomly valuable uncommons and commons may work out in your favor come May.

Know What to Expect

You've also got fringe commons of value like Rift Bolt and Lava Spike that dip when reprinted but gain back value over time. Of course, the recent gains on these two cards could be due to the growing popularity of Burn more than a bounceback from the reprinting.

We can't know for sure how Modern Masters 2015 will impact the market, but we can take a look at what happened in 2013 to help us make somewhat informed decisions. Know which of your cards are risky and which are likely safe, then act to maximize your value on these cards in the coming months. It might be tempting to be lazy and just hold everything, but being proactive can you save you a lot of money moving forward. Act accordingly.

Insider: Collection Buying 101 – How to Buy Your First Collection

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Welcome back readers/speculators! Today's article will focus on all the aspects of collection buying.

While some of the information may be obvious to many of our long term subscribers, it's important for us writers to remember that QS's members are of all various nationalities, races, ages, genders and all manner of other differentiating factors--including experience with MTG Finance.

So every once in awhile I like to do an "overview" style article particularly aimed at our newer speculators, although I'll certainly try to include pertinent information that our experienced traders and speculators will find useful.

Finding

This can be one of the hardest aspects of the whole collection buying experience. There are a number of ways to "advertise" that you buy collections. Some of them include:

  1. Posting on Facebook--either on your own page or in MTG related groups, though it's important to remember proper protocol when posting on pages you don't actually own/admin
  2. Posting on Twitter (tweeting)
  3. Putting up flyers at your local college/university--MTG has a lot of college age players and many have bulletin boards you can post freely on, although you should verify that it's okay first
  4. Posting on Craigslist--this one is pretty obvious, but you often face a lot of competition on this front
  5. Having a note in your trade binder advertising it--this is one you may need to clear with your LGS beforehand, as you don't want to impede on his or her territory
  6. Including a note in any online sales you have--brand recognition is often a major driving force behind repeat sales
  7. Advertising on other local MTG or MTG related forums
  8. Simply letting people know via word of mouth

Pricing

So you've had someone come to you with a desire to sell you their collection. As I've already covered the "morel dilemmas" that can occur in previous articles, let's assume that you're not trying to take the seller to the cleaners.

Pricing is often the most stressful and nerve-racking parts of collection buying--you want to offer a price that isn't insulting to the seller and closely represents fair market value, but also leaves room for profit for your efforts.

The next important thing to keep in mind is that it takes time to review the cards and verify condition. Depending on the size of the collection, you will likely want to limit the "value" of cards you review.

For large collections, I usually focus on the $10 or greater stuff. For medium and small, I'll drop it to $5. This means that I request a list of all the cards currently valued at or above said amount.

This will be what I pay for with the understanding that everything else is kind of a "throw in" by removing the effort of the seller having to find buyers for everything else. Sometimes they are fine with that, other times (especially if they have a lot of cards that aren't bulk but are below the number I requested), they aren't.

If not, it's important to be flexible and work with them for a number that is acceptable for both parties.

Luckily for you--since you're reading this, you're a QS Insider--QS provides us with an amazing tool to help with pricing collections properly: Trader Tools.

This tool allows you to import cards (or, even better, an entire collection) into a list. It will then spit out the best buylist price per card as well as the "total buylist price" at the bottom. TT3 allows you to quickly and easily figure out what most of the well known and reputable MTG stores will pay you right now for every card in that collection.

It's important to keep in mind that, more often than not, the highest buy price for each card in the collection will be spread out over several stores--Store A may pay the most for cards X and Y, but Store B is paying the most for card Z.

TT3 is also assuming the cards are NM, which is sadly not always the case with larger collection buys. At the very least, however, it gives us a good baseline.

If you can get the seller to give conditions for the listed cards, we can use that to help establish what we should be offering. Afterall, if 80% of their collection is MP, you don't want to be paying the TT3 buylist value at NM.

Given that some buylists will accept played cards while some won't, it's important to keep in mind which shops show up the most on the TT3 list. If you have a lot of cards whose highest buylist is for a store that only accepts NM cards, you'll want to make a note of those cards specifically.

However, most stores do accept LP/SP, and some even MP and HP, though it may depend on the "value" of the cards (i.e. some stores will not accept $5 cards that are HP, but might accept $150 cards that are HP).

The typical price of the full NM value is usually something like:

  • LP/EX- 80-85%
  • MP/VG-60-75%
  • HP/G- 35-65%

With the price range of cards often being heavily dependent on condition, it's very important to be a strict grader. This, however, can offend your seller, so it's very important to be fair and up front. It's a great idea to actually have a major website's grading guide, or at least a card of each condition with you so you can compare grades with the seller.

It is also absolutely critical to verify "authenticity" of the more valuable stuff. Given I don't know how you value your time, I won't put an exact dollar value to check, but I don't pick up dual lands and whatnot without thoroughly reviewing them because they can and have been faked.

So now you've reached the point in where you've got the majority of the collection priced out based on condition. You now need to determine what kind of profit you want to make off of this buy.

This is where it gets tricky and one's moral compass gets oriented. It's important to consider the "other" costs to you of purchasing the collection--the cost of everything that isn't the actual money you give the seller.

Some of these costs include:

  • The time it takes to sort everything. Very large collections can take hours (or even days) to go through. This is time you could be spending doing other things, so it does have value, although it's more amorphous and harder to define. At the very least, it seems fair to value your time at least at minimum wage, since you could be working if you weren't sorting their collection .
  • Shipping to various buylists. Shipping costs for small packages typically range from $2-$5.95 for small USPS flat rate boxes/envelopes. While that may or may not be a lot, it can really add up when you ship to three or more buylists. Sometimes, depending on the difference between Store A's buylist price and Store B's, it might be worth it to ship the card to the lower buylist price if you already have a lot going to one store and not much to the other.
  • Other packaging costs. This might include bubble wrap, the boxes/envelopes themselves, or top loaders/sleeves you may want to ship the cards in. It's VERY important to verify first what kinds of shipping materials the stores will accept, as there are some who will charge you if everything is sleeved up.
  • Travel cost. This one can be relevant if you're driving quite a distance to review/buy the collection. If I'm driving two hours to someone to look over their collection, I'm not simply going to ignore the cost of gas and my travel time.

You may or may not want to share these costs with your seller. Sometimes they will scoff at the fact that you feel your sorting time deserves to be compensated, while other times they'll completely understand and are happy to simply sell without having to do any additional work.

Understanding your Seller

This is another critical aspect that is important to keep in mind. Many players (myself included) can get attached to their collections and will often over-value cards. They attach sentimental value to a card and they may want you to "pay" for that sentimental value.

Many players have cards that are simply "Not for Trade" and these are often the ones that will have sentimental value attached to them. But when truly selling out of the game, they will be included in the collection.

If/when these cards end up on the selling block, it's important to remind the seller that, while the card is awesome and that time they blew out their friend with it sounds epic, if you sell the card to any of the online stores, they will pay what is listed and only what is listed.

If you can emphasize this without sounding condescending or brushing off their sentimental value, you can avoid insulting them and ruining what could be a lucrative chance to buy a collection for yourself.

Defining the Terms

Well done. You've given the seller a price you're willing to pay after thoroughly reviewing their collection and they seem to agree with it.

While this step is often taken for granted, it can be crucial to verify exactly what you're getting before handing over your money. Nothing is more awkward than when you factor in cards that the seller isn't, like their favorite EDH deck or that small binder of foils they've been collecting.

And this can potentially throw off your offer greatly, or at the very least waste unnecessary time. Simply stating, so "I'm getting __" and making sure they agree before you hand them the money eliminates this potential.

Paying

This is another step that seems obvious but is important.

You could be handing over a large sum of money, so it's important to count it out in front of them more than once to prevent miscounting. This is why bank tellers count and then recount a pile of money before they hand it to you.

Also, given the value of MTG cards nowadays and the money that could be involved, and the fact that you could very well be dealing with a complete stranger, it's wise to make sure your purchase is done in a public place. Don't bring $2,000 to some guy's house way out in the woods.

Again, this might seem obvious, but there's a lot of weirdos out there and nobody wants to be another sad news story.

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Congratulations! You've purchased a collection and it's up to you to decide what you want to do with it now!

Sound off in the comments and share what your next steps usually are.

Insider: Dissecting Japanese Standard PTQ Results – The Impact of Fate Reforged

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I am always interested in PTQ results, and I am especially interested in decklists from international events because they offer an opportunity to view the constructed metagame from a different perspective.

Last weekend there was a PTQ in Japan, and the decklists are available. The event in Japan drew out 108 competitors, a modest size that is comparable to recent American PTQ fields. It was filled with talent, and within the Top 8 finishers are multiple Japanese Pro players.

Today I will share and explore all eight decklists.

8th: Jeskai Aggro, Tamada Ryoichi

You may remember him for his Top 8 at Grand Prix Los Angeles the week after PT: KTK, but Tamada Ryoichi also had a string of consecutive Japanese Nationals Top 8s in 2010-2011, and he finished in the Top 32 of the Standard Pro Tour Dark Ascension in 2012.

Tamada's take on Jeskai Aggro is sleek. It plays only the most efficient creatures and it supplements them with a loaded suite of support spells.

Jeskai Aggro - Tamada Ryoichi

Land

4 Mystic Monastery
2 Temple of Epiphany
2 Temple of Triumph
4 Flooded Strand
2 Island
2 Plains
2 Mountain
3 Shivan Reef
3 Battlefield Forge

Creatures

3 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
4 Mantis Rider

Noncreature Spells

4 Wild Slash
4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Valorous Stance
4 Jeskai Charm
3 Dig Through Time
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker

Sideboard

4 Anger of the Gods
2 Suspension Field
2 Erase
2 Glare of Heresy
3 Disdainful Stroke
2 Negate

New additions include:

Wild Slash is capable of creating massive tempo swings against opposing creatures, which also makes the "philosophy of fire" burn plan more robust.

Valorous Stance is a strong tempo play against opposing creatures when applicable, especially against Green creatures, but it's also a tempo play against opposing removal spells like burn and Hero's Downfall, and it's even a potential tempo play in creature combat.

Playing a full set of Valorous Stance allows Tamada to focus on playing only the best creatures because he knows he can fall back on his spells to protect his creatures and allow them to survive further into a game than they would otherwise.

This lends itself to more attack steps. But this is particularly valuable when creatures include Goblin Rabblemaster, which creates value in its Goblin Token, and Mantis Rider, which is, for practical purposes, a reliable 3-damage-a-turn clock that evades essentially all blockers.

7th: RW Aggro, Shou Tagomori

Shou Tagomori played a Fate Reforged update on the hottest deck going into the new format, RW Aggro:

RW Aggro - Shou Tagomori

Land

5 Plains
10 Mountain
4 Battlefield Forge
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Evolving Wilds

Creatures

4 Soulfire Grand Master
2 Seeker of the Way
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
3 Brimaz, King of Oreskos
3 Ashcloud Phoenix
4 Stormbreath Dragon

Noncreature Spells

3 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Chained to the Rocks
2 Citadel Siege
2 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard

2 Valorous Stance
2 Erase
3 Glare of Heresy
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
3 Hushwing Gryff

Additions here include:

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There was an error retrieving a chart for Citadel Siege

Soulfire Grand Master has been heavily hyped up, and it has now followed that up with results. With Lightning Strike and Stoke the Flames, it will generate life in the early game. In the late-game it will generate all-important card advantage, and at that stage it will demand an answer or will take over the game.

It's important to note that it has Lifelink, and, unlike Seeker of the Way, will gain life every turn in combat even without triggering Prowess, so it's a great turn-two play followed up by powerful three-drop creatures.

Citadel Siege is a limited bomb that has made the jump to Standard. The Dragons mode turns the card into a strong removal spell, but the real draw here is Khans, which generates two +1/+1 counters a turn.

With a supply of creatures to target, this will lead to a tempo swing on board, and in a goldfishing sense has the same damage value as a Xenagos, the Reveler, creating a token each turn. While susceptible to Glare of Heresy, the card is particularly hard to remove in game one.

6th: Jeskai Aggro, Shinta Inoue

Shinta Inoue brought his own interpretation of Jeskai Aggro:

Jeskai Aggro - Shinta Inoue

Land

4 Mystic Monastery
4 Flooded Strand
4 Temple of Triumph
2 Temple of Enlightenment
2 Shivan Reef
2 Battlefield Forge
3 Mountain
2 Island
2 Plains

Creatures

4 Soulfire Grand Master
4 Mantis Rider
3 Ashcloud Phoenix
2 Stormbreath Dragon
2 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Hushwing Gryff

Noncreature Spells

4 Lightning Strike
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Jeskai Charm
2 Magma Jet
2 Valorous Stance
2 Disdainful Stroke
1 Dig Through Time

Sideboard

2 Glare of Heresy
2 Erase
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Arc Lightning
2 Magma Spray
1 Disdainful Stroke
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Soldier of the Pantheon
1 Goblin Rabblemaster

This build is similar to the RW Aggro deck in that it maxes out on Soulfire Grandmaster. It also plays Ashcloud Phoenix and even Stormbreath Dragon, but just two Goblin Rabblemaster! Rather than focusing on only the most efficient creatures, this deck plays a mix of the most powerful and reliable.

5th: Sidisi-Whip, Kento Arita

Kento Arita's version of Sidisi-Whip incorporates powerful new tools from Fate Reforged that seem tailor-made for the archetype--Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Torrent Elemental, with Crux of Fate in the sideboard.

Sidisi-Whip - Kento Arita

Land

4 Opulent Palace
3 Llanowar Wastes
1 Yavimaya Coast
2 Temple of Malady
2 Temple of Mystery
3 Polluted Delta
1 Mana Confluence
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Swamp
3 Forest
1 Island

Creatures

4 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Satyr Wayfinder
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
2 Doomwake Giant
2 Torrent Elemental
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
2 Hornet Queen

Noncreature Spells

3 Hero's Downfall
3 Murderous Cut
1 Sultai Charm
3 Thoughtseize
3 Whip of Erebos

Sideboard

2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
3 Reaper of the Wilds
1 Thoughtseize
2 Crux of Fate
2 Negate
2 Disdainful Stroke
3 Bile Blight

Tasigur, the Golden Fang is part Tarmogoyf, part Azure Mage, and it's likely the best all-time card in Fate Reforged. This deck is perfect for the card with loads of graveyard filler.

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Torrent Elemental is a bit clunky, but it helps to push through Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, Zombies, and whatever else through opposing blockers. It's also a source of card-advantage and value from the graveyard when combined with Delve cards Tasigur, the Golden Fang and Murderous Cut.

Crux of Fate is a much needed board sweeper, and it gives this deck a very robust sideboard plan.

4th: RG Aggro, Shou Matsumoto

RG Aggro has risen from the the dead with the addition of Flamewake Phoenix, Shaman of the Great Hunt, Whisperwood Elemental, and even an Outpost Siege in the sideboard.

RG Aggro - Shou Matsumoto

Land

1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
2 Mana Confluence
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Temple of Abandon
7 Mountain
8 Forest

Creatures

2 Elvish Mystic
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Heir of the Wilds
3 Boon Satyr
4 Flamewake Phoenix
4 Ashcloud Phoenix
3 Shaman of the Great Hunt
2 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Whisperwood Elemental

Noncreature Spells

4 Lightning Strike
4 Crater's Claws
1 Chandra, Pyromaster

Sideboard

3 Reclamation Sage
3 Hornet Nest
2 Hornet Queen
1 Nissa, Worldwaker
2 Magma Spray
3 Arc Lightning
1 Outpost Siege

Flamewake Phoenix is the centerpiece, and it serves as an aggressive, evasive, and recursive threat that dominates the creature-removal attrition battles that are so common in Standard and tend to be the RG Monsters archetype's achilles heel. Fourteen creatures fulfill the Ferocious requirement, including three Boon Satyr, a playset of Ashcloud Phoenix, and two new cards:

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There was an error retrieving a chart for Whisperwood Elemental

Shaman of the Great Hunt is simply excellent when combined with the numerous cheap creatures this deck employs, and it has great synergy with the evasive Ashcloud Phoenix in particular.

Whisperwood Elemental is a source of constant card advantage that is particularly powerful considering this deck has so many good creatures to Manifest, but it also offers a built-in resistance to board sweepers.

Outpost Siege in the sideboard has two useful sides--either Dragons to help finish off a near-dead opponent or Khans as a robust source of card advantage.

3rd: Monored Aggro, Takashi Boku

Monored aggro even has a Fate Reforged addition!

Monored Aggro - Takashi Boku

Land

4 Wooded Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
13 Mountain

Creatures

4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Foundry Street Denizen
4 Firedrinker Satyr
4 Borderland Marauder
4 Goblin Rabblemaster
3 Goblin Heelcutter

Noncreature Spells

4 Lightning Strike
4 Searing Blood
4 Stoke the Flames
4 Hordeling Outburst

Goblin Heelcutter is a great limited card, but here it is in Standard. It's a fine four-drop creature to top the curve, but it might be used best of all as a surprise spell with its Dash cost that will push through extra damage.

2nd: Abzan Aggro, Yasunori Baba

The finals saw two Abzan Aggro decks face off.

Abzan Aggro - Yasunori Baba

Land

4 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Temple of Malady
3 Llanowar Wastes
3 Temple of Silence
3 Caves of Koilos
3 Windswept Heath
2 Forest
1 Plains
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Mana Confluence

Creatures

3 Warden of the First Tree
4 Fleecemane Lion
4 Rakshasa Deathdealer
4 Anafenza, the Foremost
2 Courser of Kruphix
4 Siege Rhino
2 Wingmate Roc

Noncreature Spells

4 Bile Blight
3 Hero's Downfall
3 Abzan Charm
1 Murderous Cut
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

Sideboard

3 Thoughtseize
1 Hunt the Hunter
1 Back to Nature
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Drown in Sorrow
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
1 Wingmate Roc
2 Nissa, Worldwaker
1 Murderous Cut

Yasunori Baba added three Warden of the First Tree to an otherwise relatively stock Abzan Aggro deck and performed quite well.

Thoughtseize has been moved to the sideboard, which illustrates the card's relatively diminished placed in the metagame compared to before Fate Reforged due to the rise of coherent and aggressive decks, and the fact that as a one-drop it competes with Warden of the First Tree for space in the mana curve.

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There was an error retrieving a chart for Warden of the First Tree

1st: Abzan Aggro, Yuuta Takahashi

Notable long-time Japanese Pro Yuuta Takahashi won the event with Abzan Aggro featuring zero Fate Reforged cards!

Abzan Aggro - Yuuta Takahashi

Land

4 Sandsteppe Citadel
3 Temple of Malady
3 Temple of Silence
3 Llanowar Wastes
3 Caves of Koilos
4 Windswept Heath
2 Plains
2 Forest
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

Creatures

4 Fleecemane Lion
4 Rakshasa Deathdealer
4 Anafenza, the Foremost
2 Courser of Kruphix
4 Siege Rhino
4 Wingmate Roc

Noncreature Spells

3 Bile Blight
4 Hero's Downfall
3 Abzan Charm
2 Thoughtseize
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

Sideboard

2 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
2 Erase
2 Glare of Heresy
1 Bile Blight
2 Drown in Sorrow
1 Murderous Cut
2 Thoughtseize
2 Nissa, Worldwaker
1 Sorin, Solemn Visitor

If anything, this illustrates the fact that Khans of Tarkir was very good to Abzan and that the archetype is still the deck-to-beat.

As far as the decklist is concerned, this is the Abzan Aggro list I'd recommend to anyone interested in playing the archetype this weekend. I expect that Courser of Kruphix in the maindeck will be the new standard going forward.
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Share your thoughts on these decklists and the Standard metagame in the comments! I'll do my best to answer any questions.

Cheers!
-Adam

Gamer Parents Are Awesome

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My parents played a few games with me growing up. They got into Tetris when I was very young, and they always played pinochle when older family members visited. The occasional round of Scattegories or Bananagrams took place, but really, we weren't a particular game-focused household. I always wanted my parents to play Magic or Warcraft II with me, but they just couldn't feign the interest.

It's not going to be that way for my son. At seven months old, I'm already giving him Magic cards to chew on, and so far, it appears he's a little red mage:

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My biggest fear is that as I transition from a Young to an Old, I will lose interest in games. Really, though, this seems pretty unlikely, considering I've been gaming for literally my entire life. If anything, the more likely thing is that my son rebels against me by declaring his hatred of games: "It's not a phase, Dad! This is who I am now!"

Anyway, Brainstorm Brewery writer Douglas Johnson shared a nice story on Reddit today about meeting up with some gamer parents looking to beat their 14-year-old at Magic. It's a pretty funny and inspiring story for those of us with families (or with the intention of having families someday). You should check it out, and while you're at it, check out DJ's archives on BSB. He's always good for learning something new, and I actually referenced one of his articles today to find a good deal on supplies.

Questions I have for you all:

  • Did your parents play games with you as a kid? Which ones? Did they introduce you or did you introduce them?
  • For the parents out there, what are some of the first games you introduced to your kids? When did you start with MTG?

Personally, I'm looking forward to Mice and Mystics in three or four years. I've heard good things about that being enjoyable for hardcore gamers while also great to introduce kids to the hobby. Let me know your experiences below!

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The Fate Reforged Beta Seven

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Remember how wordy cards used to be? Something that seems like a simple effect today would be an absolute chore to read when Magic first began. That's why we little novellas on some cards from the game's early days, all to describe a rather simple-seeming rules interaction.

I present to you, the Fate Reforged Beta Seven, courtesy of Z's Proxy Factory.

There's more where that came from. You can find the full seven here.

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It’s A Wash

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Or maybe we could say "It's awash" where "it" in this case is "some dude's whole deck".

According to /u/jaredks on reddit,

tonight I went to throw in a load of laundry, and in pulling my 13-year-old's stuff out of the washing machine to toss into the dryer, I noticed his deck box still in his hoodie pocket. Unfortunately, it had almost all of the value he's accumulated over the last year that he's been playing. He's bummed.
After some googling, I am cutting the cards out of their sleeves, and my wife is ironing them through typing paper, then pressing them in heavy books. I thought maybe you all might have some words of wisdom.
UPDATE: His brother dug through his cards and was able to replace quite a few of the destroyed cards. My wife is still diligently ironing. My son is now smiling and playing with his new deck. He has really appreciated the kind words from all of you. Thanks so much!

Disaster!

Fortunately the cards appear mostly salvageable. That foil Alesha all rooned makes me kind of sad. Maybe it's a metaphor for the future of tiny leaders? I don't know. Here's what I do know.

What To Do If Cards Go Through The Washing Machine

  1. Don't put your cards in the washing machine. It's really bad for them.
  2. If you skipped ahead and didn't do step 1, separate the cards before they dry.
  3. Blot each card with paper towels or cotton towels to get surface water off of them
  4. As mentioned above, put thin paper or parchment paper on either side and iron the cards
  5. Do not put cards in the microwave to dry them. I don't know why I thought that would be a good idea
  6. The cards will begin to warp as they dry. One method is to put each card in a paper towel so both sides are being blotted then put in the pages of a heavy book. Stack some weight on top of the book. The weight will keep the cards from warping as they dry and the paper towels will soak up any moisture that's extruded during pressing.
  7. Be careful not to use textured paper towels if you can avoid it.
  8. Don't put your cards in the washing machine. It's really bad for them.

You can read the entire reddit post including suggestions from the community here 

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A few years ago I fantasy drafted the Pro Tour for the first time. I already enjoyed the spectacle of PTs, but keeping up on a handful of specific players round by round with a stake in the game made the viewing experience all the more enjoyable. At the time it was commonplace to ban Luis Scott-Vargas in such drafts, and nobody put up much of a fight about this rule.

Because he makes it look easy.

Back then PVDDR was the snap first pick and things got more interesting after that. With PV being so obvious a choice, it made sense to me to ban him as well, but this was never accepted in my group. At this point in time, it's likely that both players are totally reasonable to have in fantasy drafts. Both are obviously still masters, but even with them both legal I could easily see taking a few players over them, which makes such bans rather pointless.

Would you fault somebody for taking Eric Froehlich over LSV in 2015? What about Yuuki Ichikawa, Ivan Floch or Shaun Mclaren- each of whom have added a pair of Pro Tour Top 8s to their resumes in very recent memory. Mclaren in particular is a great addition to any team when you consider that the super teams have gotten so large that you can easily acquire multiple players on the same constructed deck/limited strategy.

One-man wolf pack.

At this point in time I'm not convinced that there is a player on the Pro Tour who is so obviously first-pickable as to warrant a ban. Another Top 8 for Mclaren this weekend and I could see advocating banning him in the future, but we're definitely not there yet.

Who's on your banned list for the Pro Tour this weekend? Do you still have LSV, is your list blank like mine or do you have a more unique approach?

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Ryan Overturf

Ryan has been playing Magic since Legions and playing competitively since Lorwyn. While he fancies himself a Legacy specialist, you'll always find him with strong opinions on every constructed format.

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