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Insider: Examining Reprint Risk – New Rules to Govern Casual Pickups

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The latest round of Commander decks is what really did it. The straw that broke the camel’s back, or in this case finally helped me turn a corner in my mind.

I haven’t been a serious speculator in a while now (though I have been stocking up on Forked Bolts), but I obviously follow the market very closely. I’ve also been one of the biggest fans of casual cards for a variety of reasons. They’re easy to find, fairly predictable price-wise, and most of all, safe. Safe from being obsoleted by a new card, safe from the metagame shifting, safe from banning.

But they aren’t safe from reprints. And that’s where Commander 2014 comes in.

The Damage

A few rules about reprints have held true for a long time. No set-specific cards, nothing referencing a plane, nothing with a particular keyboard could be reprinted willy-nilly. This made speculating on these fairly easy, and it was great, easy and safe money.

Crypt Ghast is the latest to blow this old theory out of the water. Set-specific keyword? Who cares? Throw it in that mono-black deck just because.

But it’s not just Crypt Ghast, which would be manageable on its own. Look at this list of reprints which a year ago I would have described as fairly safe.

  • Silverblade Paladin
  • Twilight Shepherd
  • Emeria, the Sky Ruin
  • Rite of Replication
  • Cyclonic Rift
  • Goblin Welder. (Are you kidding me?!? Who expects this in a precon along with freaking Wurmcoil Engine?)
  • Essence Warden
  • Joraga Warcaller (Don’t worry, they reprinted all of the insane casual Elf cards in this deck. It’s going to hold up *very* well over time).
  • Beastmaster Ascension
  • Oran-Rief, the Vastwood

And this doesn’t even count other stuff previously viewed as solid but still risky, like Tectonic Edge, Return to Dust and Caged Sun--also reprinted.

That is, frankly, a lot of blowouts. And it makes me question my strategy going forward.

That giant stack of Chromatic Lanterns that I have? Not much faith in the five-year plan anymore. Dictate of Erebos? Way too popular to not reprint. Preeminent Captain? Just a matter of time.

Of course, raging about it won’t help. Wizards is always going to reprint cards, and there’s nothing we can do about that. What we can control, however, is how we react to the realization that seemingly nothing is safe anymore.

New Rules

I’ve decided the best course is to re-adjust some strategies moving forward. I’m still a fan of these casual and Commander specs, but I think it may be best to refine our plans moving forward to minimize our exposure to reprints.

Firstly, I think that we have to invest in anything Modern-playable with a huge grain of salt. We know the reprints are coming, and while there’s room to make money in the format, I think it’s more important than ever to diversify. Going all-in on the next Wurmcoil Engine is just a worse idea than spreading out your assets across the format, including the now-rotated shocklands and the rapidly-bottoming fetchlands.

New Rule No. 1: Look for Foils

I haven’t been a huge fan of foils in the past. The gains were there, of course, but they were always a known quantity and had a higher cost of acquisition, both in terms of dollars and the ability to even find them in trades. They’re also harder to move. All of these things made me prefer regular copies since you could spread your gains out over multiple copies and move them easier when the price went up.

But think of all the supplementary products these days. Duel Decks, Commander products, Planechases and Archenemies, etc. What do all of these have in common? They aren’t foil.

Look at something I wrote about last week: Path to Exile. The card has been reprinted a million times, yet only two of those copies (and a promo) have been in foil. Throw out Modern Masters since we’re talking about primarily-Commander cards here, and you see how I come to this conclusion.

Want to invest in Chromatic Lantern, as I suggested when it was printed? Get in on the foil copies. Both copies are up about the same percentage amounts in that time, but one of these is a hell-of-a-lot-safer bet to avoid a price-tanking reprint.

New Rule No. 2: Go Mythic or Go Home

Yes, it sucks to see Wurmcoil reprinted. But the odds of a big mythic being reprinted are infinitely lower than the odds of whatever random rare you wanted to spec on.

There were lots of casual goodies I suggested picking up in Magic 2013. Gilded Lotus, for instance, is up about 100% from the pricepoint I targeted. And while that’s great, this is also a threat to be reprinted at just about any time (and it was, in From the Vault: Twenty).

Compare that to another card I liked in Magic 2013: Akroma's Memorial. In the same time period, it’s gone from $4 to $10, and all the evidence seems to suggest that it’s the former that’s more likely to be reprinted soon.

New Rule No. 3: Go Cheap

If we can’t avoid the reprint risks entirely, the only thing left to do is hedge our bets, and that means going cheap.

For instance, I was a big fan of grabbing Sanguine Bonds when they were reprinted in Magic 2014. Here we had a previously-$12 card that was suddenly at dollar-rare status again. That seemed like an obvious pick-up that would rebound to $3-4 in 18-24 months.

And it probably would have, except that Wizards decided it needed yet another reprint and it showed up in Commander 2013 as well.

But this didn’t really hurt us all that much, and in fact didn’t touch the price of the M14 version. The reason? The low initial buy-in. Same goes for Crypt Ghast, honestly.

If we’re going to go for something that is most prone to reprint (non-foil, rare or lower), the most important factor is the initial buy-in. If you buy a ton of copies of something at $4-5, you’re really opening yourself up to getting blown out when the inevitable reprint comes. If you’re in at a buck instead? There’s a missed opportunity, but you’re not really out anything.

Rolling With the Punches

There you go. I’m not going to stop grabbing up copies of cards I think are casual or Commander favorites, but I’m dang sure not going to live by the old rules when Wizards has decided to change the rules of the game.

Magic finance is all about adapting and surviving, and that’s what I plan on doing.

 

Thanks for reading,

Corbin Hosler

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How is Mike Long like Garfield?

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Not that, Garfield, the other one, without the PhD.

Hipsters of the Coast this week made the case that Magic cheaters like Mike Long, Alex Bertoncini and Tomaharu Saito have a lot in common with our feline friends, at least in appearance.

Part humorous parody of Buzzfeed and part "we just wanted and excuse to write about cheaters", Shawn Massak knocked it out of the ballpark with observations like this one.

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I won't spoil any more of it - go to Hipsters of the Coast right now and check out the rest of the article.  There isn't much good satire being generated and aimed at this goofy cartoon community of ours, but it's good to every once in a while take some time out to reflect on how silly we sometimes are. Check out Massak's full article and support good Magic writing, even when it may not be what we want to hear.

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The Vintage Super League Playoffs Have Begun

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I've been following Randy Buehler's Vintage Super League since its inception. I've written about it before, but I have to say, the production quality gets better and better with each passing week. There's far less delay, fewer awkward silences, and more interesting conversation than there was in the first few weeks, when it was apparent that everything was kind of running on the fly.

Last night, the VSL playoffs began with a few tie-breaking matches to determine the top four. With commentary and play by Luis Scott-Vargas, Randy Buehler, David Williams, Eric Froelich, and Steve Menendian, there's some truly awesome Vintage to behold here. Check it out below, or visit Buehler's YouTube page.

Season two of the Vintage Super League is slated to begin in January. I'm looking forward to seeing who fills in the spot of this season's last-place player, as well as what changes these guys may make to the tournament format or production values. If you want to continue seeing awesome alternative-format tournaments with some of the biggest names in Magic participating, it would behoove you to show your support by checking these videos out.

Insider: MTG Stockwatch – 11/2/14

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Welcome back readers! As per my usual bi-weekly column, this week we'll delve into the movers and shakers of the MTG world.

We start with our "Penny stocks", which for the uninitiated (i.e. people who didn't catch the first one of these articles with the definitions) are the cards that started the previous week less than $5 and have moved up the highest percent since then. As usual my data is pulled from MTGstocks.com (which is an incredibly useful site all on it's own).

Penny Stocks

#1 Zuran Orb (FTV: Relics) (+40.2%) - As the only foil printing of a card that shows up in a Legacy deck (Lands) it's not surprising that this is gaining some value. It's still dirt cheap for an FTV card from a few years back.

It is important to look at the graph on this guy and there is some potential that there's actually a glitch with MTG stocks data gathering software, but overall it appears that all the copies I can find (outside of SCG which still has NM ones at $2) are in fact greater than the $2 it was previously.

zuran orb

#2 Masticore (FTV:Relics) (+25.6%) - This one is similar to Zuran Orb, though there are original set foils of this card available (about 18-20x more expensive than the regular version). During its tenure this guy was one of the most expensive cards in Standard. Costing you a card for a 4/4 with two decent abilities is still a pretty steep cost, but it does give mono-colored Commander players (more specifically mono-green) a repeatable way to kill creatures.

Again, I'm not 100% sure this isn't more of a jump due to some data gathering glitch with MTG stocks, but the "jump" isn't so tremendous that it sticks out as a "no way that's possible".

masticore

#3 Young Pyromancer (+17.1%) - Here's our first "well, duh" card to actually rise. With the introduction of Khans to Legacy and Modern we've seen a huge influx of blue-red counter/burn style decks and Young Pyromancer makes up one third of the creature count. Playing against these decks he's the #1 threat that must be removed quickly by the opponent before things spiral out of control. Barring a reprinting, I expect him to break $3 within six months.

young pyromancer

#4 Mesmiric Orb (+15.6%) - Showcased in a deck on SCG Premium by Sam Black and as a win condition in a super durdly control deck in Modern (not to mention a hilarious solution to the Jeskai Ascendancy deck), this card's recent attention has caused a minor jump in its value, though judging by the graph it had a much higher percentage increase between this article and my last one.

mesmeric orb

#5 Nether Shadow (+13.7%) - One of the creatures in the manaless dredge deck, this guy sees fringe Legacy play (i.e. when too many people forget their graveyard hate at home and Dredge takes down a tournament). He's been in demand since Khans release, likely because having haste and being recursive makes him pair well with Bloodsoaked Champion.

nether shadow

Next we head into our Blue Chip stocks...

Blue Chip Stocks

#1 Savannah (-3.84%) - No surprise here, the resurgence of U/R Tempo decks means that once again Maverick (the primary driving force behind demand for Savannahs) is a poor metagame choice in Legacy.

The fact that all of this week's Blue Chips have a downward trend once again implies that the price spike back in March was a massive overshoot and everything is still moving back down towards the actual market price. This dual is very interesting for the fact that it's now back down to its pre-spike price...which suggests it's likely at its floor.

savannah

#2 Bayou (-3.32%) - Despite the fact that Elves is still doing relatively well and so is BUG Delver (sorry WoTC, BUG is still a better name than Sultai), demand for Bayou is decreasing. The fact that it's #2 on the list is a bit surprising given BUG Delver's recent success on the SCG Circuit.

bayou

#3 Tundra (-3.04%) - This one is a bit surprising as U/W Miracles actually has a decent matchup against the Treasure Cruise decks of Legacy, though BUG Delver can be a bit more problematic courtesy of having an out to Counter-Top Lock in Abrupt Decay. But we're still not seeing many UWr Stoneblade Decks like we used to (which was one of the major archetypes that pushed Tundras over $200 a few months ago).

Tundra

#4 Scrubland (-2.68%) - With the rise of BUG and U/R Delver decks, Esper Stoneblade has taken a back seat in the Legacy metagame. As good as Thoughtseize is, it's still a one-for-one against decks playing three-for-ones. It's interesting to note that while not all the way back to its pre-spike price, Scrubland is getting close.

scrubland

#5 Sneak Attack (-2.58%) - Another not so big surprise here. Sneak and Show decks have a hard time beating any decks with a decent amount of counter magic and a quick threat, which unfortunately for them, is a large portion of the current metagame.

sneak attack

Value Stocks

The good news is Khans has now officially been out for over two months and prices have finally begun to drop. The set will continue to be opened until Dragons of Tarkir is released (at least in drafts), but the block's odd draft structure won't have Khans being drafted with Dragons of Tarkir at all (perhaps in a move by WoTC to prevent the third set from having such a reduced supply).

Khans will likely still be cracked a decent amount even after Dragons of Tarkir releases (barring a high demand for Dragons cards) similar to how many people wanted RTR packs even when winning Dragon's Maze events simply due to the value in the set. However, the basic law of averages indicates that the value of a pack (barring the high starting levels due to short supply at the beginning of a set) will still continue to decrease until it reaches a point below the retail value of the pack. Thus, I still expect a lot of Khans cards to continue their downward trend.

I honestly expected fetchlands to be lower than they currently are as it seems that they haven't dropped a whole lot since release, though the trend is still negative even if a gentle slope. There is likely a strong possibility that because everyone knows fetches are desired for eternal formats, they will have similar trajectories to shocklands (which also gently sloped downward, but maintained a decently valuable price floor).

For a nice side-by-side comparison:

hallowed fountain

flooded strand

That being said, it may be difficult to acquire them when they are at their lowest, as a lot of speculators will follow these prices pretty closely. I don't think the fetches will fall too much farther (maybe another 15%), but we also won't see the kinds of jumps we saw in Standard land values upon previous sets' rotation like with Scars Fastlands and Innistrad Buddylands. We'll see the same thing we saw with shocks.

Growth Stocks

This week we see Zendikar bouncing back nicely from a previous drop. Part of this may be due to the fact that with Treasure Cruise running rampant in both Modern and Legacy the fetchland of choice is now Scalding Tarn, which conveniently only has the one printing.

We see New Phyrexia take a bit of a hit, but I honestly can't explain that one (none of the major Commander reprints that hit this past week were New Phyrexia gold). However, Scars taking a hit isn't surprising as its second most valuable card (outside of Mox Opal) was Wurmcoil Engine. The spoiling of that reprint has caused the price to drop pretty dramatically (though it hasn't totally been captured, recently it was a $21 card and now you can buy copies of them for $9-$12).

Rise of the Eldrazi had a bit of a dip as well. With one of the upcoming playmats for the next set being spoiled, what looks like an Eldrazi showed up on it, which has people thinking we'll see the Eldrazi return, which will cause a drop in the Eldrazi prices and thus the Rise sealed product demand.

Week of 11/02/14

Box Most Recent Completed Auction Second Most Recent Third Most Recent Fourth Most Recent New Average Average comparison
Innistrad $201.00 $199.99 $189.47 $189.00 $194.87 -2.11%
Dark Ascension $97.95 $99.00 $99.99 $109.89 $101.71 -0.28%
Avacyn Restored $140.00 $131.09 $127.50 $129.00 $131.90 -1.16%
Scars of Mirrodin $177.53 $190.00 $184.99 $190.00 $185.63 -3.02%
Mirrodin Besieged $142.75 $169.99 $147.50 $187.99 $162.06 5.29%
New Phyrexia $218.17 $249.00 $265.00 $349.95 $270.53 -9.97%
Zendikar $470.00 $435.00 $475.00 $455.00 $458.75 7.79%
Worldwake $749.99 $664.99 $622.00 $659.99 $674.24 2.00%
Rise of the Eldrazi $528.00 $540.00 $400.00 $599.99 $517.00 -2.27%

Insider: Paradigm Shifts in Legacy Delver

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Last week I talked about a few decks and cards that have been on the rise under the reign of our new delve overlords. This week I want to talk about the new top dog--Izzet Delver--and how the power level of individual cards in this and similar strategies has changed dramatically in the post-Treasure Cruise world.

First things first, this is the build of Izzet Delver that I rocked:

Legacy Izzet Delver

spells

4 Delver of Secrets
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Spell Pierce
2 Gitaxian Probe
1 Forked Bolt
1 Fire // Ice
1 Dismember

lands

4 Volcanic Island
2 Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
2 Wasteland

sideboard

2 Spell Pierce
3 Pyroblast
2 Blue Elemental Blast
1 True-Name Nemesis
1 Sulfur Elemental
1 Dismember
3 Submerge
2 Tormods Crypt

I lost rounds two and three after mulliganing a lot, but I stuck it out and won my way into Top 32. When this deck is on, the power level is undeniable. My initial instinct was to go over the top of other Izzet Delver decks and play True-Name Nemesis to trump Monastery Swiftspear, but this strategy was weak to Daze and Swiftspear turned out to be much stronger than I expected.

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There was an error retrieving a chart for Monastery Swiftspear

While that attempt at change didn’t pan out, the inclusion of Wasteland is a marked improvement over stock lists. I don’t like the way many Izzet lists eat up sideboard slots with Price of Progress and Blood Moon. Sideboard slots should target close and difficult matchups in a format as diverse and large as Legacy. They should not just be powerful cards. Wasteland moves this element of the deck into the maindeck, freeing up sideboard space and increasing the power level of Daze.

I tried out four copies initially, but Wasteland did lose some stock in the land of Treasure Cruise. Games just tend to go longer and people draw more lands when they’re Cruising. It’s still great to mess up powerful non-basics like The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Inkmoth Nexus, and just punish opponents when they stumble.

Basic Mountain was also terrible in all of my testing with this deck, and unlike in Modern where Steam Vents has to hurt you to come in untapped, Volcanic Island is a free-roll. Grim Lavamancer is really the only card that makes it so you really can’t have your red source wasted, and I just plainly don’t like him in Treasure Cruise decks anyway.

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All that aside, let’s talk about just how different Treasure Cruise makes this strategy.

Brainstorm

You know how Brainstorm was by far the best card in Legacy? Well, it just got better. The big reason for this is that Treasure Cruise makes it so that you can Brainstorm more aggressively without getting punished.

Previously, Delver decks didn’t have any way to generate card advantage by drawing extra cards. This being the case, not finding a fetchland meant that your Brainstorms left two potentially unwanted cards stranded on top of your deck where you would have to redraw them.

Now you get to burn Brainstorms to pump Swiftspears, set up your next two turns and then actually draw three new cards using your spent Brainstorms to pay for delve. The top of your deck that patiently Brainstorm previously allowed you to see you now just get to draw and keep when you resolve Treasure Cruise.

The unfortunate impact of this is that now poor Brainstorming goes unpunished more often since you can’t always draw Treasure Cruise. So it’s still not the case that just anybody can win  as any other player with the blue Legacy decks.

Young Pyromancer

Speaking of cards that got better by virtue of having the ability to generate card advantage, holy carp did Young Pyromancer undergo a transformation.

This upgrade really goes hand in hand with the Brainstorm upgrade. Brainstorm locking yourself was never worth a 1/1 token. Building up to an Ancestral Recall and making a grip of 1/1s is.

YP has arguably jumped Tarmogoyf in power level, which is a wild thought. Obviousl,y they each have their own weaknesses, but I know I’d rather be weak to Pyroclasm than Swords to Plowshares.

It might be a little late to get in on foils, but Young Pyromancer is an uncommon that you might be able to make some money on. It has always been around $2, and its appeal is really high. I don’t see a reprint being likely, particularly with it not showing up in the core set before the prowess mechanic.

There are 3 copies in an event deck, but I could certainly see a slow climb in price on this one. Picking up any cheap copies you can sounds smart to me.

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Gitaxian Probe

The biggest argument that I’ve heard for playing Gitaxian Probe is that it provides free information. Huey Jensen played it in Sneak and Show for one event before cutting it, stating that he already knows what his opponent has. Probe got better in Delver decks, as it triggers prowess and Young Pyromancer, but the payoff still isn’t as high as it can be in decks like Sneak and Show that just kill you if they don’t see a Force of Will.

I boarded the two copies I played out against everybody and have no intention to continue to play the card. The information isn’t valuable to me, and the lack of Spell Pierces in Huang’s list leaves the deck vulnerable to the inevitable host of Show and Tell decks packing Dig Through Time that can kill you before you ever get a Treasure Cruise online.

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There was an error retrieving a chart for Dig Through Time

Probe definitely got stronger, but I still don’t think it’s good enough. I’m really tired of arguing this point, so I don’t see a need to go in depth on it. If you like Probe, play Probe.

If anybody asks me, however, it gets dramatically worse the more you know about Legacy as a format and what your opponent might have. And it’s certainly not worth cutting business spells over.

Force of Will

Some people would contend that Force of Will didn’t need to get better, but I’ve never sympathized with advocates of Goblin Charbelcher.

In fair matchups, the cost of Force of Will is extremely steep. It wasn’t that long ago that people would leave one in the sideboard and try to board them out as often as possible.

The raw card advantage of Treasure Cruise changes the relevance of Force of Will’s drawback.

I recently played a game where I Forced two spells and then casted a Treasure Cruise. Suddenly I had the same number of cards in hand as my opponent. That’s absurd.

I don’t think that anybody was considering cutting Force of Will from any blue deck, but it is interesting to think about how much stronger it got, and thinking about it this way could change play patterns to make more liberal Force of Will usage more compelling.

Spell Pierce

Spell Pierce is very bad against Delver decks, and I ended up boarding the card out in a few matches.

That said, not playing them invites all kinds of problems. I saw a lot of ANT at the top tables in Minneapolis, and there is no reason that this deck should be doing well in a Delver-heavy metagame. It's also an important tool against Show and Tell decks, which I played against twice and won in games that the stock Izzet list probably would have lost.

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Spell Pierce got worse, but I don't believe it has stopped being necessary. Forked Bolt will serve you better in the mirror, but Spell Pierce will help in harder matchups.

Stifle

Before I landed on my list, I tried Stifle out in Izzet Delver and it underperformed.

It’s a terrible card to draw off of Treasure Cruise and you don’t need to lock your opponent in the early game anymore since you have access to card advantage engines.

I was completely baffled when I started seeing the card in Sultai Delver decks. Not only do I not prefer the card anymore in the first place, but the Sultai versions of Delver tend to be much better at going long, so a card like Stifle doesn't fit into the strategy very well. The fact that Treasure Cruise is a one-mana, high impact spell that can find more lands is also a big point against Stifle.

Further, the more aggressively people can Brainstorm, the worse having a Stifle for a fetchland is.

Not long ago, I was easily one of the most avid Stifle players in the world, and now I'm ice cold on the card. If I'm not into it, that should definitely be a sign to rethink playing the card.

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Going forward I don't see a compelling reason not to play Izzet Delver in Legacy. A Show and Tell deck with Dig Through Times could definitely rock the metagame, and that's the other deck I would be looking at if I wasn't into delving.

From the list I played, I would turn the Probes into the second Fire // Ice and either the third Spell Pierce or 18th land.

This is far from an exhaustive list of everything that has shifted power in Legacy, and again I urge everyone to explore the format extensively before playing a big tournament in post-Treasure Cruise format. The differences may be subtle, but they are many.

This past weekend I went to the local Sealed PTQ and ended up losing in the semi-finals. I haven't had much of a response to any limited content that I have produced here on Quiet Speculation, so I'm posting this to see if the Insider audience has any interest in a sealed-deck write-up. It's obviously not terribly relevant in terms of speculation, but with this being my second limited PTQ Top 8 in a year, alongside another PTQ where I lost my win-and-in, I believe I have some valuable insight if there's interest. Either way, let me know!

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Updating the Fetchland Conversation

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I wrote at length about this on Empeopled.com this week, and just wanted to share here with everyone!

Let's move on to the topic of today's piece: Fetchlands.

In particular, Khans of Tarkir fetchlands. There have been thousands upon thousands of words written about these when they first came out, so my goal today is something fairly simple: What's happened since then?

Some people thought these would hold $20 pricetags. Others thought they would fall to the $6-9 the Shocklands were at. I personally called them to settle between $12 and $15 in Standard. Keep in mind that the numbers we're looking at today are far from final. These will see more movement in the months to come, likely downward and first and possibly upward from there. That last part we're not so sure about, but we can at least get a handle on where things stand today.

You can find the full post here.

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Goodbye MTGO Cube, Hello Legacy Cube

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So the MTGO Cube is being overhauled, and you can read all about it here. For those of you who hate to read, why are you on QS and why did you click this article? For those of you who just don't want to click on a link to Daily MTG (and who can blame you?), here's what matters from the post:

  • Randy Buehler, MTG Hall of Famer who left WOTC R&D back in 2009, was brought on as a consultant to lead the design of a new MTGO cube.
  • Buehler quickly determined that there should be a difference between the Holiday Cube (which features the Power Nine and other overpowered stuff) and the normal MTGO Cube (which has often just been a neutered version of the Holiday Cube).
  • The Holiday Cube will be run two or three times a year instead of just during the holidays (hooray!).
  • The normal MTGO Cube will not include any cards on the Vintage restricted list.
  • Given that Vintage cards won't be included, R&D has dubbed this list the Legacy Cube. It features only cards legal in Legacy.

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  • Despite toying with the idea of a themed list, the design team decided a "Greatest Hits" cube was too awesome, so they stuck with that.
  • Non-interactive cards like swords, True-Name Nemesis, etc. were cut, but nothing was cut simply based on power level (so Jace, the Mind Sculptor remains).
  • The number of cards is decreased to 600, but the number of multicolor cards has increased. The cube will feel much more gold-oriented as a result.
  • A big goal was to "cut some of the chaff." This sounds great in theory, but reviewing the list suggests that there is more trimming required. Cutting Reckless Charge, at least, was a nice start.

Breakdown complete! The MTGO Cube list was certainly getting stale, so I'm looking forward to some drafts with the new build.

What cards are still in the cube that have no place there? Which cards should have been added but are needlessly absent? Sound off below, folks.

Insider: Commander Finance Part 2 – Electric Bluegaloo

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Wasn't the consensus that red was the worst color in EDH?

Mild Overcorrection

If you've taken a look at the full decklists for the Commander 2014 product, you'll notice that the red deck is the best one, and it's not even close. Ironically, the black deck, fully spoiled first, seems to be the weakest (although the blue one is giving it a run for its money) and even despite an unauthorized leak, we saved the best for last.

Last week, before the entire red deck was spoiled, I brought up the concept of sealed decks as a potential investment (and why I'm not super bullish on it). If you haven't read it yet, go read it now. I'm actually just baffled. Do you read every other article? Is it your first day as an Insider? Do you generally read things labeled "part 2" before "part 1"? Get your act together, man. Seriously.

Last week I didn't know how jimmy-jammed with value the red deck was and I have seen a lot of burgeoning financiers on soapboxes declaring that the red Commander 2014 deck, Built From Scratch, is absolute value town. Apparently you should "take out a second mortgage and buy them," to paraphrase someone who was paraphrasing Travis Woo (who was, at the time, referencing his desire to make Primal Command spike because he's the highest-paid Magic writer for a reason and that reason is he makes bad cards spike).

What kinda value are we talking, here?

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We can pretty much stop there, because we're at $55 already; $20 above MSRP. Does this mean we can snag these puppies at MSRP and flip them for an Andrew Jackson while pocketing a bunch of free Magic cards, some of them being things like Scrap Mastery which is a very good card? What makes us think this maneuver is even possible?

Quick Flips

As I mentioned last week, the inclusion of True-Name Nemesis in Mind Seize made the financial equation a good one. MSRP was $29.99 and True-Name Nemesis climbed to $50 a pop. Busting these decks, shipping the Nemeses and having a bunch of gas left over was a no-brainer and lots of speculators scoured Target and Walmart looking for Mind Seizes that EDH players ignored to flip them for value.

With such an easy source of money last time and a similar situation where there are cards that are $20 above MSRP, why would we not buy a ton of red decks and flip them?

Built From Scratch Is Not Mind Seize

I can't emphasize this post enough. I don't think there is enough money to be made buying Built From Scratch even at MSRP and trying to flip.

True-Name Nemesis Spiked Before Eternal Weekend

Last year, Eternal Weekend was right on the heels of the release. This year, Eternal weekend is not only already over, there is nothing in Built From Scratch that compelling in Legacy.

People are talking about using Dualcaster Mage in Legacy, but I really don't see it. Sure, you can use Heat Shimmer to play a terrible version of Splinter Twin that requires you to have a creature to target before you can play Heat Shimmer and Dualcaster on the same turn. You can also use it to copy Fireblast or Lightning Bolt.

Let's not compare this "more cute than good" card to True-Name Nemesis, a card that revolutionized how Legacy Stoneblade decks operated. There's no impending demand for any card in Built From Scratch, even if Dualcaster does prove to be Legacy or Vintage playable. People can get the copies of the cards they want at their leisure.

Legacy is a Four-of Format

EDH, not so much. If none of the cards end up Legacy-playable, you have a situation where a card like True-Name Nemesis, wanted for play in a four-of format, is being compared to a bunch of cards playable in a one-of format. For every Legacy player who wanted to run the maximum number of True-Name Nemesis, you needed to come up with four copies of Mind Seize.

For every EDH player who wants to run Wurmcoil Engine, they have to buy one copy of Built From Scratch, or buy a Wurmcoil online. It's not terribly efficient to buy singles out of Built From Scratch, and nearly half of the value is currently held in a reprint which can't possibly maintain its current price.

Value Spread Over Multiple Cards

Not only that, one of the cards is a reprint and its price is assuredly going to tail off very quickly. If people who don't have Wurmcoil Engine suddenly want one and don't want to play it in a deck that will use more than one- or two cards from Built From Scracth, how desperate were they to get ahold of one? Are they really going to use its reprinting as an impetus to buy a copy for its current, pre-reprint price because it was announced in a deck? Probably not. If they weren't paying $25 for a Wurmcoil last week, they're not doing it this week.

Who's going to buy these Wurmcoils you're selling when they could get 99 other cards for $5 more? No, if speculators do indeed make a run on these decks, they're not making money selling the singles. With a margin as narrow as $20 (it seems big if you're selling for retail), it will be impossible to make any money buylisting the singles unless the spread is practically 0.

Scarcity Is Temporary

If you're going to try and pick the decks up for MSRP to flip them on eBay for more than MSRP, you're looking at fees eating into your margins. Not only that, Wizards has made it clear that if another situation like Mind Seize arises, they will implement a restocking policy that will include more copies of the most in-demand deck so retailers aren't forced to buy five decks to get one they want to sell, thus being forced to order more than they want to and sit on copies of deck that will sell more slowly.

You're going to be hard-pressed to sell these decks for $50+ when Target stores are lousy with them and getting new shipments in all the time.

EDH Players Are Excited About Other Decks

Red is pretty bad in EDH and while I am personally really jazzed about Built From Scratch as a deck, not everyone is. I wonder whether some of the people advising people to buy copies of Built From Scratch have ever met an EDH player.

White and Green are the decks players are talking about for the most part and most players I talk to expressed interest in more than one deck. If you tell an EDH player they can pay $30 for the white deck, $30 for the green deck and $60 for the red deck, they're probably going to buy the blue and black one for that $60 instead and wait to see if the red one gets cheaper. That or they're going to find a sealed one at Target. EDH player demand didn't drive Mind Seize's price up and supply down out of scale with the others, and I don't expect that to happen this time, either.

All in all, I don't really like the idea of buying Built From Scratch at MSRP and trying to arbitrage them somehow. I am sure the reddit buyout brigade will be convinced by the argument and will likely drive the prices up a bit, but driving up prices and being able to sell for a higher price are two entirely different things, and I doubt higher prices stick.

Between reality setting in, retail outlets providing copies for players at MSRP, a lack of urgency vis-a-vis no immediate demand from a four-of format and the five decks being a little closer in power level and playability, I don't think I want to bother trying any maneuvers here. I'm buying one of each deck and I'm going to bust open and play the damn things.

What If There Is No Mind Seize Effect?

I think this is overall good for the prices of all of the singles in the set. A few cards from Commander 2013 are absurdly priced.

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There is no question that Doubling Season is better than Primal Vigor. But is it five times better? Hell no, especially since there is no rule that forces you to play one or the other.

What we're seeing is an indirect effect of Mind Seize spiking, in my opinion. There is a degree of high supply inherent in the fact that a ton was always slated to be printed, but the price of all of the singles and even all of the sealed decks in Commander 2013 is pretty low. Since stores couldn't just order Mind Seize decks, they ended up ordering quite a few decks they had a hard time selling.

There is a glut of the sealed decks and as the price for those unwanted decks decreases, the effect that the total cost of a sealed deck has on enforcing the price of the singles will enforce lower prices on the total cost of the singles in a deck. Primal Vigor can never be $20 for if it's in a $22 precon that many stores have copies of sitting around.

In my reviews on the free side, I used $5 as a bit of a high water mark for non-chase, non-mythic singles in these decks. While a card like Primal Vigor, which is one of the best new cards in Commander 2013, struggled and ultimately failed to maintain $5, I think if there is less of a glut of these decks and real demand is allowed to control the rate that the decks sell, we could see some of the better non-mythics from Commander 2014 maintain above $5. I have identified a few potential candidates.

This card is very, very good. I would expect this to be the most valuable non-mythic out of the green deck. Primal Vigor may not be a bad price analog for this card although there is more value in the green deck than there was in Power Hungry (the Jund one with Primal Vigor in it) so that may limit its upside.

This card is insane. If any non-mythic card can break $5, it's this one. While everyone is talking about how insane the red deck is, this card is quietly poised to impact every format where it's legal.

There are a lot of good cards in the white deck and the planewalker is much better than Daretti. The biggest difference? Wurmcoil Engine--a card poised to tank in price due to a reprinting. Don't underestimate this card.

Also in the white deck is this gem. This card is silly in EDH, a format where you can only play one copy of each card. Not only that, this is a one mana copy of any busted equipment your opponent has. The white deck has a lot of tools and this is among its best.

Obviously this card is very good and very hyped-up. This will have a very easy time maintaining above $5, obviously.

The problem is there is nothing obvious in the blue and black decks. This means that the singles prices for all of the playable cards will hover around $2-$4 because the weight has to be distributed and if there is nothing obvious, then it gets distributed evenly.

This is good and bad. It's good at first because there is no card that is worth tearing the sealed sets open and digging into which lowers the price of every other card in the set. It's bad months down the road when the decks aren't selling and the price of the entire deck drops, lowering the price of all of the singles.

My Advice

If you want these to play with, buy them and play with them. But unless you have buyers lined up ahead of time, I would not trifle with trying to arbitrage these decks. They're getting printed a ton, there is no clear, obvious Mind Seize analog despite what some analysts are saying, and I think there are not going to be as many greater fools as you'd need to make money flipping. But if you do want to start trading for singles, pick up the good stuff and don't pay more than $5.

Insider: [MTGO] Update on RTR & M14 – Reacting to Changes in the Rotation Trend

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I have been on vacation the past week and a half and got disconnected almost completely from the internet, including from my MTGO investing activities. I didn't bring my laptop with me and my cell phone is at least the grandfather of a smart phone so I pretty much had nothing to keep me updated of the latest trends, and I couldn't have done anything anyway.

Before I switched to vacation mode I had made a little memo to myself about cards to buy or keep on watch, including Modern, Return to Ravnica block and M14 cards. I was expecting to make a good round of purchases at the end of October after my break. I was waiting for prices to be at their lowest, in particular concerning the cards freshly rotated out of Standard.

During the past several weeks I have been saying that the end of October is historically the best period of the year to buy cards from sets that just rotated out of Standard. I said that this trend is pretty much always true for rares and also a good period to pick up mythics, although the latter need to be evaluated case by case.

For Return to Ravnica block and M14 rares I mentioned and recommended many times on the forums to wait for the end of October before making any move, despite the fact that some rares were clearly not following the trend established in the past two or three years. Steam Vents, Abrupt Decay and Deathrite Shaman were not really at their all-time low last week.

Now, back from vacation, I am definitely stocking up Return to Ravnica block and M14 cards, many of them at a little premium. Incidentally this situation follows the words of my article two weeks ago. Given the circumstances, I found myself buying several cards at a higher price than I had expected to. I didn't catch the absolute bottom and it doesn't really matter. Even with a 10-15% higher price, these opportunities are still good at the moment.

A New Norm?

At rotation, rares of all sets have always behaved the same. In my article last September I showed that all Eternal staples, or staples-to-be, that rotate out of Standard see a bottom in late October to early November. Snapcaster Mage, Birthing Pod, Inkmoth Nexus, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Restoration Angel and Cavern of Souls didn't escape the trend--they all reached their nadir in October or November. Not before, and not later.

This year, with Return to Ravnica, Gatecrash and M14 (no card from Dragon's Maze is really concerned here) things are different, and there's more than just one isolated case. If the general trend of bottoming around October is still here, several cards seemed to have bottomed well before the end of October or have not bottomed at all.

Cards that have obvious roles in eternal formats, Modern primarily, unexpectedly kept a flat or upward trend since this summer. Take a look at few examples.

The five RTR shock lands have been at their lowest, in average, this summer. After a little bump after the M15 release they went down a little bit for Khans of Tarkir release and that was it. Steam Vents is obviously the exception caused by the surge of blue-red decks in Modern, but who knew one of these lands would get so much interest at this point in time in the heat of a new fall set release?

GTC shock lands behaved slightly differently but also got a low point early in June during VMA release events that was matched only in early October during KTK release. After this brief dip, prices went up again, sooner than anticipated.

Despite being banned in Modern and seeing fringe play in Standard, Deathrite Shaman never dipped to its previous lowest point in May. Abrupt Decay reached its highest this summer and never really went down since. Like many other cards these two black-green cards saw a little dip for KTK release, far from the big price depreciation I was expected by October.

Rest in Peace is another card I was hoping to stock up at a very low price. The white enchantment never matched so far its lowest of last June, and I missed the dip early this October.

In M14, Scavenging Ooze also dipped around KTK release but not as low as it was in last July. The ooze is already back on track.

Finally, Mutavault is one of the very few card that "respected" the price pattern I was hoping to see for others. Probably because the card was extremely popular in Standard and is not so played in eternal formats. The land saw its lowest point mid-October.

So much for the theory that all rares bottomed in October-November with no exceptions...

The only common trend with all these cards is that they saw a price dip during Khans of Tarkir release, but not an absolute bottom.

Why is this so different this year? I'm not really sure and it may have to do with several factors, including more speculators and more people aware of these rotation opportunities, valuable sets, V4, the Standard Pro Tour in August, etc… This is also warning me to be more vigilant next year and that I should start buying cards during the summer if prices look good with the option to finalize my purchases around the fall set release.

Okay, so standards have been shook up and if you are in my boat you have been late on catching up the best deal for rotating cards. Nonetheless late is better than never. Let see what we are left to deal with. Some rares may still represent a great opportunity now, as well as some mythics which have reached a fairly low point now.

Rares

With the exception of Steam Vents, I've been buying all the other shock lands these past days. I'm not getting the best price for many of them but they hold a strong value going forward.

The blue-red shock is simply too high for me now. The hype created around the blue-red Modern decks thanks to Treasure Cruise and Monastery Swiftspear has pushed Steam Vents too high too fast. There's no profit to be made for me with this one in the short to mid-term.

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I'm also buying rares that have or may have a role in eternal formats. Although the price is a little steep at ~1 Tix now, I strongly believe Rest in Peace is going to hold good value in the future. I'm buying it now at its current price and I'll be ready to stock up more if its price comes back to 0.3-0.5 Tix.

This enchantment may have the same trend has Stony Silence. Several rares are at bulk price now and may see a moderate price spike if more exposed in Modern decks.

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Mythics

I have two things to say about Return to Ravnica block and M14 mythics today. The first thing is about the mythics that have reached a lower price now than when I wrote about them two months ago, and are therefore on my buying list. The other thing is about the mythics, mostly bulk and cheap mythics, that have seen surprising spikes recently.

In My Basket

Again, I have been late for some mythics here and I'm either passing on some opportunities or buying at a slightly higher price than I could have. However, for several mythics now is the optimal time, or close, to acquire them.

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Unexpected Spikes, Unexpected Gains

About two weeks after the release of Khans of Tarkir, several mythics from Return to Ravnica and Gatecrash have experienced an abrupt spike for unclear reasons, doubling their price overnight. Inexpensive mythics were suddenly valued like never before. Here are some examples. Pretty much all the the bulk mythics from these two sets were affected.

If you don't really know the reason (and I don't really care to be honest) for such spikes I do know the impact on my bankroll--unexpected high returns in record time for these kinds of specs. Among the spikers, I was holding Worldspine Wurm and Enter the Infinite, two cards I found very attractive two months ago. Bingo.

For some reason I missed the good window to sell the Wurm--its price didn't maintain 10 Tix for more than a day or two. However I was able to sell the four playsets of Enter the Infinite I had for more than 7 Tix a piece. An incredible gain in only two months.

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If you were holding some of these cards, I hope you took this godsend opportunity to convert some Tix faster than expected. All these mythics might come back to similar heights but only in several months. While MTGO has opportunities available almost at any time of the year, exciting a position sooner than anticipated because of a sudden spike is what you are looking for to grow your bankroll even faster.

Enter the Infinite could be worth 10 Tix next March but I know that my Tix will be better reinvested now in with Modern opportunities. Enter the Infinite could also be worth 4 Tix next March.

Not So Bulk Mythics

Lastly, you may have observed this too, but a lot of mythics from Return to Ravnica block and M14 that were considered as junk or bulk mythics reached pretty impressive prices these days. In addition to the mythics mentioned above, Lord of the Void, Lazav, Dimir Mastermind, Hellkite Tyrant, Utvara Hellkite, Scourge of Valkas, Rise of the Dark Realms and Ring of Three Wishes are at prices double or triple what they were when Standard-playable.

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Starting from about a year after release, it appears that these guys were on an upward trend since then. Tripling your investment in 12 or 15 months is a pretty good investment. And if you are able to capitalize on the unexpected spikes we saw earlier you are holding gold bars. I'll take another look to Theros block and M15 mythics, and will give much more credit to any mythics under 0.5 Tix with a long-term perspective, providing the trend we are observing now repeats itself next year.

 

Thanks for reading,

Sylvain Lehoux

The Dragons are Coming

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We've all guessed at it for awhile but it's now finally official.

The Dragons are coming.

In Dragons of Tarkir, to be exact.

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A few months ago we saw Wizards trademark this name, and we all assumed it was the name of the third set of the block.

Wizards confirmed that today, with this announcement. It seems we will have planeswalkers traveling through time to alter events and bring all the Dragons back to Tarkir. We're in for a ride over the next few months.

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Can MTGO Appeal to the Average Gamer?

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Let's say you're a gamer. This seems like a relatively safe assumption to make, given that you're on this site reading this article. But let's say that you're not familiar with Magic, which is probably not a safe assumption, given that you're on this site reading this article. Bear with me, though.

So you, a gamer who does not play Magic: The Gathering, are looking for a new game to play. You like a number of various game types and platforms, so you're really pretty open-ended. You are looking for something fun, reasonably priced, and easy to get into.

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You've grown up with console games, so you start there. You could pick up a game like Dark Souls 2 (I'm a huge fan) for around $30 right now, and easily get 100 hours of game out of it. That's about 33 cents an hour, which is quite the bargain! You can also ship the game off when you're done, further decreasing the cost of all that gaming you just got to enjoy, and it's easy to figure out how to move a videogame via Craigslist or Amazon. A solid option.

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Gizmos for Geeks

Alternatively, you could grab your iPhone or iPad and visit the App Store. Angry Birds only costs a dollar, but you could also get a classic Final Fantasy title for $20. Star Realms, Ascension, and Lords of Waterdeep will each run you about $5. All of these games except for Angry Birds have high replayability value and can easily be jammed for hundreds of hours. Even if you only end up playing for a bit before you get bored, the cost of entry is so low for your standard mobile game that it doesn't take much play to get your cost-per-hour under a dollar. You can't resell it when you're done, but if you're only paying a couple bucks, would you really expect to?

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A board game will usually run you $30 to $50. Putting in tons of hours with a tabletop game can be difficult unless you have a regular playgroup, but for your money, you get (presumably) a nice box with some high-quality components that you can resell at a later time if you want. Tabletop games also offer the bonus of real-life, face-to-face interactions with other humans. I mean, for some folks that's a bonus.

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Or maybe you want to try a digital card game. There are three you've heard of: Hearthstone, SolForge, and Magic.

Hearthstone and SolForge are both available for mobile devices and for free. You can get started right away, and if you find you don't like the games, you've lost zero dollars. Everything within these games is available for free if you're willing to grind.

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But you've heard of this other game, Magic: The Gathering. People say it's really good. Some say it's the best game ever made. You search on your phone, but can't find any mobile version of it. Bummer.

So you Google "Magic Online," and the first link that comes up is to a page that hasn't been updated since June 16, 2014. Hmm. Thankfully, the second link appears to be to a current page, so you're back on track. Eventually, you find a download link, but the system requirements are a little high for your laptop. Oof.

Not to be discouraged, you switch to your desktop, which can handle the requirements. You go to download the game, but find you need to have an account. A starter account costs $10. This isn't a lot of money, but for a game you've never tried? That you're not even sure if you'll like? This is kind of a bummer.

But you're determined to try this game, so you pay your $10. Next, you wait for more than an hour while MTGO downloads. It's smart how they make you pay the $10 before you start the download—this ensures that they still got money from you even though you're going to go play another game during the interim, possibly not returning to MTGO.

Despite the odds being against it, you come back after the download finishes and click into the program. You are a little confused by the interface, but clicking "Play" seems like a good start. Unfortunately, there is no tutorial, so you'll have to figure out the rules on your own. Hmm. You don't have a deck, it's saying. And you also don't know the rules to the game, so you can't build a deck.

You read some third-party online tutorials, and they say this thing called "drafting" is a good bet for new players, so you look into it. MTGO says you need packs. You go to the store, annoyingly pay $14 for the necessary product, and then enter a draft. You are mercilessly dispatched in round one, and oops, you joined a single-elimination event. Want to draft again? Pay another $14, sucker.

You've heard Magic cards are worth money, but you can't figure out for the life of you how to exchange them. You're seeing terms like "trade binders" and "bots" and "tickets," but this is all meaningless to you. You eventually give up trying to sell your cards, and after flushing another $14 down the drain, you give up on MTGO altogether. They made $38 off you and you barely even got to play the game.

Much later, you stumble upon a game called Duels of the Planeswalkers. It appears to be related to Magic. Oh, wow! It appears to be a beginning version of Magic. But for some reason, it is not called Magic Online or Magic: The Gathering, so when you looked into Magic Online originally, it didn't come up. Too bad.

In any case, this seems more like a good starting point for a new player, similar to Hearthstone and SolForge. It can't hurt anything to download it and try it out, right? Surely it will be free like those other DCTGs... wait. It costs $10? Ugh.

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Insider: Your Standard Cards Have Ebola – Why You Should Quarantine Your Collection

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I have some bad news for you. Your Standard cards have Ebola.

That's right, more than half of them are going to die a horrible death, hemorrhaging value from every orifice as they moan in agony of the knowledge that there is no life for them beyond Standard. It's going to be ugly as those temples wither on the vine like unharvested grapes. Elspeth will live out her days lurking in the underworld, too expensive for Modern and not flashy enough to be included in the  world's more enjoyable cubes.

Sigmund hinted at this in his recent article around this topic, based on a Twitter conversation we had last weekend, but I wanted to round it out and really explain why this time it's different. There's actually a pretty simple explanation:

Theros Sucks

Now, I know it's hard to say with certainty that a block is good or bad, but Theros was easily the weakest block in the last ten years.

Let me cut you off right there. You were getting ready to say "but look at what an immediate impact it had on Standard when it was released!" You're right, there were a lot of decks that utilized the devotion mechanic.

The thing is--and I did some research to verify this--Nightveil Specter was actually a Gatecrash card. Shocking right? I have some more bad news for you: the linchpins in all of those now defunct strategies were from sets outside of Theros block.

But maybe you're remembering a different Standard format than I am.

But what about...

Let me cut you off right there. You were getting ready to tell me about Thoughtseize and Elspeth, Sun's Champion and Thassa, God of the Sea and Stormbreath Dragon and Temple of _____ and Courser of Kruphix and Master of Waves, right? Yeah I know, those cards were essential ingredients in some spicy decks, but you'll have to let me finish explaining why Theros sucks before we move on to that.

Theros block was designed heavily around the draft format, so most of it's mechanics don't translate to constructed very well and this eats up so much of the "viability" of the block.

  • Heroic - 41 cards, 1 playable
  • Constellation - 16 cards, 2 playable
  • Bestow - 34 cards, 3 playable (barely)Monstrosity - 26 cards, 3 playable
  • Tribute - 11 cards, 0 playable
  • Devotion - 35 cards, 13 playable (though many are Gods often used ignoring devotion)
  • Strive - 19 cards, 3 playable (barely)
  • Inspired - 19 cards, 0 playable (believe me, I tried)

Keep in mind that these are cards with specific keywords on them, and it doesn't take into account the cards that were created to accentuate these mechanics in limited. So why does Theros being anemic mean that all of it's cards are going to go down in value? Because it was obvious. Painfully obvious.

What was obvious?

The powerful cards in Theros were so gleaming and stood so high above the mounded feces that they were impossible to miss. They were delicious Snickers bars in a bowl full of Mounds.

Theros:

Born of the Gods:

Journey into Nyx:

For those keeping track at home, that's a grand total of 16 non-land cards.

Noticeably absent - most of the Gods and Master of Waves because Devotion is conditional, and most of those Gods relied on Nightveil Specter or Boros Reckoner for their Devotion requirements.

So what does the obviousness of these "picks" mean? We all knew well in advance what cards had a "chance to go up" at rotation and acted accordingly. As it turns out, a number of these cards were duds. Xenagos, the Reveler is outclassed by the omnipresent Mantis Rider, Fleecemane Lion and Soldier of the Pantheon don't have reasonable homes, and Eidolon of the Great Revel is putting in most of his work in older formats. Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver... who knows what's going on there?

The other thing to keep in mind is that so many of the mythic rare slots were used up on the Gods, so there wasn't much room leftover for relevant mythics likes Olivia Voldaren, Falkenrath Aristocrat or Huntmaster of the Fells... cards that went from $4 to $20 during their tenure in Standard.

The point is that we've all had these cards since their release. Profits come from movement, and since most people just sat on these cards, there hasn't been much movement.

Khans of Tarkir

So what about Khans? Why do all of those cards also have Ebola? That's an easy one:

The hype on these cards alone was enough to drive a stampede of buyers, hungry for eternal playable cards. This ravenous horde is consuming Khans of Tarkir like a pack of homeless let into a free all-you-can-eat buffet, discarding their Savage Knuckleblades and Rattleclaw Mystics by the score.

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And as the prices soared for marquee cards like Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker and Sorin, Solemn Visitor, people bought more and more packs of Khans, hoping to strike it rich.

I've seen more people casually crack booster boxes of Khans than any set in recent memory. And while players are cracking boxes, so are retail stores... why spend $100 to buy singles that they can easily open in a box that only sets them back  < $80 wholesale? But for every Sarkhan and Sorin they open, there is likely two copies of Butcher of the Horde, Siege Rhino or Mantis Rider. An equilibrium must be reached.

One example of this stands towering over all sets in recent memory demonstrating this principle: Worldwake.

Worldwake featured the most expensive card to ever appear in Standard - Jace, the Mind Sculptor at $100. Remember all the other expensive cards that showed up in Worldwake? Like... uhh... Avenger of Zendikar was $8 for a while there... and... uhh... that was it.

The Remedy

There is a cure for MTG Ebola, and it's really simple: GET RID OF THE CARDS!

There's very little that has any residual value beyond Standard in Theros. Thoughtseize, Anger of the Gods, Mana Confluence, Keranos, God of Storms, Eidolon of the Great Revel, (to a lesser extent) Stormbreath Dragon, Brimaz, King of Oreskos,  Sylvan Caryatid, and Courser of Kruphix are the only cards that will survive rotation to battle on in Modern in any real capacity.

It's time to play triage with your collection. Figure out what you need to play the next six to ten months and deleverage the rest. Pain lands, Temples, Polukranos, Coursers, etc... there's no reason to take a bloodbath on these cards and I really don't see much room for growth for the rest of the season.

Insider: Two Topics to Ponder – Standard Trends and Thoughtseize as Stock

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This week I wanted to touch on two separate topics – a two-for-one of sorts. The reason itself is twofold. There are two ideas that simultaneously popped into my head when I sat down to write this article, yet neither really merited their own piece.

The fact of the matter is today is Halloween and I’ll be very busy throughout the day with family activities. Then tomorrow I board a plane to Brussels, Belgium for a business trip. I find myself sitting at a car dealership this morning, waiting for my car to be repaired – it’s the optimal time to write my weekly article.

Because I don’t have more results to tap into from this past weekend, as the tournaments have not yet occurred, these two topics will combine into a full article quite nicely.

Without further adieu, here we go.

Standard Trend Continuation?

Last week I went out on a limb and identified negative trends in many Standard staples. Despite fears of ridicule, I posted the data and my supporting theories for this observation. As it turns out, a number of Insiders also shared my concern. The comments in that article were surprisingly supportive, and for this I want to thank the community.

What I want to re-emphasize this week is that the trend, which could have been prematurely called a “trend” last week, is now solidifying. In other words, what started off as a small pullback after rapid over-extension appears to be a true downward trajectory. Take Courser of Kruphix as a prime example and note the continuation of last week’s decline into this week.

Courser

If anything, this chart indicates to me an acceleration of negative price momentum. You may argue that Courser-based decks aren’t the best metagame choice at the moment. My counter to that would be to examine an even more compelling example, Temple of Epiphany.

No one can argue the strength of Jeskai decks running Mantis Rider and the like. Yet even this crucial mana-fixing land from a small set has shown a breakdown in price over the last couple weeks.

Epiphany

This data is truly concerning to me because I did not expect support for Standard prices to deteriorate so soon after rotation. Yet one commenter called out a critical detail I had overlooked last week – the fact that we’re in the middle of a Sealed PTQ season.

Once we move into Standard PTQ season for Pro Tour Brussels (incidentally where I’m going tomorrow), demand for these staples should pick up, right? I’d have to imagine this is so, yet I never really identified Standard as a cyclical format reliant on seasons like Modern and the old Extended formats. Standard continues to be the most popular format, so shouldn’t demand for these cards – especially right after rotation – be sufficient to catalyze prices higher?

Apparently the answer is no. We had the initial spikes in many Standard cards as everyone flocked to their favorite decks and speculators bought in deeply. But now that the initial demand has been met, perhaps we are due for a quiet period heading into December. Perhaps this is the new reality – the more interconnected the MTG community is, the faster formats are “solved” and the faster card prices hit their new levels. It’s at least a theory I could believe.

One More Thing

Theros Thoughtseize has barely budged over the past couple weeks. I thought perhaps it was just taking a brief breather before continuing its upward trend but the trajectory has truly leveled out.

Thoughtseize

Since last week, I have buy listed my copies to Star City Games for $17.50 each and proceeded to re-purchase six copies back for an average of roughly $16.50 each. If there’s one positive observation I’ve made on Thoughtseize, it’s this: buy it now listings for playsets on eBay have drifted slightly higher.

Perhaps my assessment last week was too bearish. I’m not going to call an all-out sell on Thoughtseize based on the data I’ve been gathering. What I will say is that Star City Games is providing you with an easy out on your copies, and you may get more from them than you would from eBay or TCG Player after fees.

While these could move higher, I don’t expect a significant jump in the next couple months. I’ll maintain a “neutral” rating, but encourage you to try and find copies for under $17.50 yourself so you can take advantage of SCG’s aggressive buy price. They now have about 50 copies in stock between NM and SP copies and there may come a time when they have “enough” copies and drop their buy price down. With all these copies in stock, it certainly feels more likely that they will drop their buy list price than raise it.

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Speaking of Thoughtseize…

A little while back I was having a regular debate with Nick Becvar about Thoughtseize and the stock market. At one point he sent me a thought-provoking message that I have since dwelt upon extensively:

Seize [SIC] isn’t like a stock where it can suddenly just drop with bad earnings. Unless it’s reprinted (which is 99.9% unlikely) it won’t go down.

After pondering this statement for a bit, I’ve come to the conclusion that Nick is only partially correct. Thoughtseize isn’t like a stock in that it won’t suddenly drop with bad earnings. The discard spell is especially immune to variability because of its robustness in multiple formats. Essentially, Thoughtseize is your standard blue chip Magic Card. While it may have a relatively bad quarter, it doesn’t really disappoint to the magnitude where it would drop suddenly and drastically.

But metagame shifts aren’t so kind to more speculative cards. I remember a few years ago when the Titans were first introduced to Standard and the best performing Titan seemed to change weekly. At one point Frost Titan was all the rage and it traded for $20. Less than a month later people realized Grave Titan was the real “growth stock” and old Frosty dropped to single digits.

And if you think a reprint is needed in order to spark a sudden drop in price, you should really look at the price trends on stuff like Pearl Lake Ancient, Dig Through Time, and Aluren. Just like with stocks, people tend to get overly emotional about their buying and cause a card’s price to overshoot reality. It doesn’t take long for supply to catch up, driving the price down almost as rapidly as it went up.

Turning back to the card in question, I do believe Thoughtseize is fairly immune to sudden price fluctuations. But stating the card is not like a stock is perhaps only partially true. There are many similarities between the two if you look at the right comparison stock.

Consider a comparison between Thoughtseize and a blue chip company like Coca-Cola. Thoughtseize is performing exactly like a stalwart blue chip stock, churning out solid earnings quarter after quarter simply because it is popular in a diverse group of formats. Even reprinting has a parallel in the stock market – it’s an issue of new shares to raise additional capital!

Stalwarts definitely have a place in anyone’s diverse portfolio. Dual Lands are another prime example. But they’re not always going to provide explosive growth without major shifts in Magic’s structure (e.g. creation of a new format like Modern). Therefore they shouldn’t make up your entire portfolio because you’ll not really outperform the “market”.

That’s why I’m treating them like I’d treat any blue chip stock. I don’t expect a ton of growth, but when they do appreciate nicely I will trim back the position. It’s time to take some profits off the table and rotate them into other stalwarts which haven’t run up lately. In fact, Dual Lands are a perfect example right now, as they have pulled back from their highs quite a bit.

Tundra

Rotating funds from one stalwart position to another is a common strategy of stock expert Peter Lynch. He describes this strategy in his book One Up On Wall Street. I’d highly recommend the book to any who have an interest in stock investing (just be aware that his examples can be a bit outdated).

Call me crazy, but I do treat my Magic Card positions as stocks and “trade” them accordingly. A card like Thoughtseize may not behave like some stocks, but I’d wager there’s a stock parallel for almost any Magic Card. And with this parallel in mind, I’d say it’s time to trim back on the Thoughtseize position in order to move into a different blue chip card with more room to run.

How’s that for overthinking an innocent text? I’m really curious to hear what the QS community thinks of this parallel. Please share your thoughts, positive or negative – especially if you do have exposure to both the MTG market and the stock market!

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Sigbits

This week I want to highlight a few cards which are quite costly considering the amount of play they see, and which could be prone to severe price drops should they be reprinted. Holding copies of these cards may be unwise because upside may be limited while downside risk is quite significant.

  • Star City Games has plenty of Damnation in stock, with NM pricing at $44.99. While we won’t see more textless promos get printed (these retail for $49.99), I wouldn’t be surprised to see the black Wrath of God reprinted eventually. I wouldn’t be looking to acquire more of these, let’s put it that way.
  • I’ve talked multiple times in the past about Linvala, Keeper of Silence and she is bafflingly expensive. Angel collectors (such as myself) go ga-ga over the beautiful artwork. That, combined with her mythic rarity from Rise of the Eldrazi, drives her retail price up to $49.99. Once again, any sort of reprint and her price tanks. But as long as that doesn’t happen, this is casual gold (although not likely to rise higher in price…at least, not at an appreciable rate).
  • A few months ago I eagerly buy listed my single copy of Fulminator Mage for $20. After acquiring the card for around a buck not too long ago, I was delighted to cash in. Now the card retails for $44.99 and I’m sure buy lists are higher than $20. Rares from Shadowmoor are quite difficult to track down, it turns out. But one reprint would surely take this Modern-only card down to earth in no time.

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